1563 Edition | Book 5 | Page 983 
that an inuisible creature, (as an Angell) cannot bee at one tyme in diuers places: wherefore he concluded that the body of Christ might not be in mo places than in one, whiche is in heauen, and so consequently, not to be conteyned in the sacrament of the altar. To this the Prolocutor tooke vpon hym to answere, saying that it was not true that Christe was lyke vnto vs in all pointes, as Philpot toke it, except syn: For that Christ was not conceiued by the sede of man, as we bee.MarginaliaWestō answereth wisely, I warrāt you & pythyly. To the whiche Philpot replied, that Christes conception was prophecied before by the Angell, to bee supernatural, but after he had receiued our nature, by the operation of the holy ghost, in the virgins wombe, he became after Wardes in all poyntes like vnto vs, except sin. Than MarginaliaMorgan.Morgā inferred that this saying of Paul did not plainly proue his purpose. Well, quod Philpot, I perceiue that you doe answere but by cauillation: yet am I not destitute of other scriptures to confirme my first argumente, although you refuse the probation of so auncient and catholike a Doctor, as Vigilius is. Sainte Peter in the Sermon that he made in the thyrd of the actes, making mention of Christe, sayth these wordes: whome heauen must receyue, vntyll the consummation of all thinges. &c. Which woordes are spoken of his humanitie. If heauen muste holde Christe, than can he not bee here on earth in the sacrament as is pretended. Than Morgan, laughing at this, and geuynge no direct aunswer at all, Harpsfield stoode vp, whiche is one of the Bishop of Londons chapleins, and tooke vpon him to aunswere to the saying of saint Peter, and demaunded of Philpot whether he would necessitate, that is, of necessitie force Christ to any place or no? Philpot sayd that he would no otherwyse force Christe of necessitie to any place, than he is taughet by the words of the holy ghost, which sound thus: that Christes humane body, must abide in heauen, vntill the day of iudgement, as I rehearsed out of the chapter before mentioned. Why, quod MarginaliaHarpsfield Harpsfield, doe you not know þt Christ is God omnipotēt? yes, said Philpot, I know þt righte wel, neither dout I any thing at al of his omnipotēcy. but of Christs omnipotēcy what he may dooe is not oure question, but rather what he doth. I know he may make a stone in the wal, a mā, if he list, & also þt he may make mo worlds: but doth he therfore so? It wer no good cōsequēt so to cōclude: he may do this or that, therfore he doth it. We must beleue so muche of his omnipotency, as he by his word hath declared & taught vs: but by his word he hath taught vs that the heauens must receiue his body, vntill the daye of Dome: therefore we ought so to beleue.
ClosePhilpot said: 'we must byleve so moch of his [God's] omnipotency as he by his word hath declared and taught us that the heavens must receyve his body vntill the daie of dome therfor we ought to bileve' (Trew report, sig. E2v; 1563, p. 915). Foxe made Philpot's argument more explicit and recast it as a syllogism: 'Only so much is to bee beleved of Gods omnipotence as is in the word expressed. That Christs body is both in heaven and here also really in the Sacrament is not expressed in the worde, Ergo, It is not to be beleved that the body of Christ being in heaven is here also really in the Sacrament' (1570, p. 1578; 1576, p. 1346; and 1583, p. 1416).
[Back to Top]And, where Philpot in answer to a scriptural passage which John Harpsfield had cited to rebut his arguments, declared 'the places were not like which he [Harpsfield] went about to compare, which thing ought to be observed in conferring of wordes or scriptures together' (Trew report, sigs. E2v-E3r; 1563, p. 915). Foxe's version reads: 'the places were not alike whych he went about to compare, and that in comparing Scriptures we must not consider the named wordes, but the meaning rather of the Scriptures' (1570, p. 1578; 1576, p. 1346; and 1583, p. 1417).
[Back to Top]agayne that the places were not like whiche he went about to compare. Whiche thynge oughte specially to be obserued, in conferryng of wordes, or scriptures together For that in þe place by hym alledged, sainte Paule dothe declare of what qualitie a Byshop ought to be. But in the other, saynt Peter teacheth vs the place where Christ must necessarily be vntill the ende of the worlde, whiche we ought to beleue to be true. And this comparison of this woorde (oportet) dothe no more aunswere mine argument, than yf I would say of you now beyng here (oportet te hic esse) you muste nedes be here: whiche importeth suche necesitye for the tyme, that you can none otherwyse bee but here, and yet you woulde goe about in wordes to auoyde this necessitie with an other (oportet) or another (must) in an other sentence, as this, (oportet te esse virum bonum) you muste bee a good man: Where (oportet) dothe not in very dede conclude any such necessitie, but that you may be an euyl man. Thus you maye see that your aunswere is not sufficient, and as it were no aunswere to my argumente Than the Prolocutor brought in an other (oportet) to helpe this matter yf it might be saying: what say you to this (oportet hæreses esse) must heresyes nedes be, therfore because of this woorde oportet? no truely, quod Philpot, it can not otherwyse be, yf you wyll adde that whiche foloweth immediately vpon those woordes of Paule, that is (et qui electi sunt manifestentur) that is, that suche as be the elect of God, may be manifested and knowen. MarginaliaThe Prolocutor and Philpot. Why, quod the Prolocutor, the time hath bene, that no heresies were. I know no suche time, quod Philpot. for since the time of Abel and Cayn, heresies haue bene, and than began they. Than said the Prolocutor, wil you now answer Morgan an argumēt or two? I wil, quod Philpot, yf I may first be aunswered of mine argument any thing accordynge to truthe and to learning. What, quod the Prolocutor, you wil neuer be answered. Howe I am answered, quod Philpot, let al mē that are here present iudge: and specially such as be learned, & with what cauillations you haue dalied with me.
[Back to Top]Fyrste to the aunciente authoritye of Vigilius, you haue aunswered nothing at all, but only denying it to be scripture, that he sayth. Secondarily, to the saying of saint Peter in the actes ye haue answered thus, demaunding of me whether I would kepe Christe in prison or no. Let al men now iudge, if this be a sufficient answer or no. Than stode MarginaliaMorgan.Morgan vp againe and axed Philpot whether he would be ruled by the vniuersall churche or no? Yes, quod he, yf it bee the true catholike churche. And sithe you speake so muche of the Churche, I would fayne that you woulde declare what the churche is. MarginaliaThe Church. The Churche, quod Morgan, is diffused, and dyspersed throughoute the whole worlde. That is a diffuse definition, quod Phylpot: for I am yet as vncertayne, as I was before, what you meane by the Churche. But I knowlege no Churche, but that whiche is grounded and founded on Goddes woorde, as Saint Paule sayeth: vppon the foundation of the Prophetes and Apostles, and vppon the Scriptures of God. What, quod Moreman, was the Scrypture before the Churche? yea, quod Phylyot. But I wyll proue nay quod Moreman, and I wil beginne at Christes time.MarginaliaMoreman & Philpot.
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