for the purpose, through more sound iudgemēt, better deliberation and more exact trial of euery particular thing. Hauing now by the way of preface and protestation, spoken these few wordes, I will come to the aunswering of the propositions propounded vnto me, and so to the moste briefe explication & confirmation of mine aunswers.

VVest. Reuerend maister Doctor. Cōcernyng þ^e lack of bokes there no is cause why you shuld complayne. What bokes soeuer you wyl name, you shall haue them. And as concerninge the iudgement of your aunsweres to bee hadde of your self with farther deliberation: It shall I saye bee lawfull for you vntill Sonday nexte to adde vnto thē what you shall think good youre selfe. My minde is that we should vse short argumentes, lest we should make an infinite processe of the thyng.

Rid. There is another thynge besides, whiche I woulde gladly obtayne at your handes. I perceaue that you haue Wryters and Notaries here presente. By all likelyhoode oure disputations shall be published. I beseche you for Gods sake, lette me haue libertie to speake my minde freely and without interruptiō, not because I haue determyned to protracte the tyme with a solemne Preface, but, least it maye appeare that some be not satisfied. God wote I am no Oratour, nor I haue not learned Rhetorike to set coulours on the matter.

VVest. Among this whole company, it shal be permitted you to take twoo for youre parte.

Rid. I woulde chose twoo, if there were anye here with whome I were acquainted.

VVest. Here are twoo whiche maister Crāmer had yesterday. Take them if it please you.

Rid. I am content with them. I trust they are honest me.

In the Sacrament of the Altar, by the vertue of Goddes worde spoken of the priest, the naturall body of Christ borne of the virgin Mary, and his naturall bloud is really present vnder the formes of bread and wine.

IN matters perteyning vnto God, we maye not speake according to the sense of man, nor of the worlde: Therfore this first propositiō, or conclusiō, is framed after an other maner of phrase or kinde of speache, then the scripture vseth. Againe it is very obscure and darke, by meanes of sondry wordes of doubtfull signifycation. And beyng taken in the sense whiche the scholemen teache, and at this time the Churche of Rome doth defende, it is false and erronyous, and plaine contrary to the doctrine which is according to godlinesse.

How farre the diuersitie and newnesse of the phrase, in all this first proposition is from the phrase of the holy scrypture, and that in euerye parte almoste: it is so plaine and euident, to any that is but meanely exercised in holye writ, that I nede not now, (especially in this company of learned men) to spende any time therein, except the same shall be required of me hereafter.

There is also a doubtful sense in these words by the vertue of Goddes Woorde. For it is doubtefull what woorde of God this is: Whether it bee that whiche is redde in the Euangelistes, or

in Paule, or any other. And if it be that that is in the Euangelists or in Paule, yet is it in dout whiche it is. If it be in none of them, then how it may be knowē to be gods word, & of such vertue þ^t it shuld be able to work so great a matter.

Again, there is a doubt in this woorde of the Priest, whether no man may be called a Prieste, but he whiche hath autoritie to make propitiatory sacrifyce for the quicke and the dead: and howe it may be proued, that this autority was committed of God to any man, but to Chryste alone.

It is likewyse doubted after what order the sacrifycing Priest shall be, whether after the order of Aaron, or els after the order of Melchisedech. For as farre as I knowe, the holy scrypture doth allow no moe.

VVest. Let this be sufficient.

Rid. If we lacke tyme at this presente, there is time ynough hereafter for disputations.

VVest. These are but euasions or startynge hoales. You consume the tyme in vayne.

Rid. I cannot starte farre from you. I am captiue and bounde.

VVest. Fall to it my maisters.

Smith. That whiche you haue spoken maye suffyce at this present.

Rid. Let me alone I praye you. For I haue not muche to say, behynde.

VVest. Goe forwarde.

Moreouer, there is ambiguitie in this word, really, whether it be to be taken, as the Logicians terme it transcendenter, that is, most generally: (and so it may signify anye maner of thynge whiche belongeth to the body of Christ, by any meanes: After which sort we also graunt Christes bodye to bee reallye in the sacrament of the Lordes supper, as in disputation, if occasion be geuen shal be declared:) or whether it be taken to signify the very same thyng, hauing bodye lyfe, and soule, which was assumed and taken of the worde of God, in to the vnitie of person: In whiche sense, sythe the body of Christ is reallye in heauen, because of the true maner of his body, it may not be sayde to be here in the earth.

There is yet a further doutfulnesse in these wordes, vnder the formes of bread and wyne, whether the formes be there taken to signify thonly accidentall and outwarde shewes of bread, and wyne: or therewithall the substantiall natures therof, whiche are to be sene by theyr qualities, and perceyued by theyr exteriour senses.

Nowe the errour and falsenesse of the proposition after the sense of the Romish church, and scholemen, may hereby appeare, in that they affyrme the bread to be transubstantiated & chaūged into the flesh, assumed of the word of God, and that (as they say) by the vertue of the word, whiche they haue deuised by a certayne number of wordes. and cannot be founde in none of the Euangelistes, nor in Paule. And so they gather that Christes body is really conteyned in the sacrament of the altare. Which position is grounded vppon the foundation of transubstantiation: whiche foundation is monstruous, agaynst reason, and destroyeth the MarginaliaThe Analogy of the sacraments is the similitude and likenesse which they haue wyth the thyngs they represent.Analogie or proportion of the sacramentes. And therefore this proposition also, which is builded vppon this rotten foundation, is false, erroneous, and to bee counted as a detestable heresy of the Sacramentaries.

VVest. We lese tyme.