Smyth. I wyll proue, that he woulde appere in earth.

He so would, and also dyd appeare here in earth after his ascension.

Ergo. &c.

Ryd. He appeared. I graunt. but how he appeared, whether then beyng in heauen or in earth, that is vncertayne. So he appeared to Stephan, beyng then corporallye syttynge in heauen. For speakyng after the true maner of mannes bodye, whan he is in heauen, he is not the same tyme in earth. And whan he is in earth, he is not the same tyme corporallye in heauen.

Smyth. Christe hath bene both in heauen and in earth, all at one tyme.

Ergo you are deceyued in denying that.

Ryd. I dooe not vtterly denye Christ here to be sene in earth. Of vncertayne thynges I speake vncertainly.

Smith. He was seene of Paule, as beynge borne before his time, after his ascendynge vp to heauen. 1. Corin. 15.

But hys Vysion was a corporal Vysion.

Ergo he was sene corporally vpon the earth, after his ascendyng into heauen.

Ryd. He was seen reallye and corporally in dede: but whether being in heauen or in earth, it is a doubte. And of doubtefull thynges wee muste iudge doubtefully: Howbeit you must proue that he was in heauen the same tyme, when he was corporallye on earth.

Smith. I woulde knowe of you whether thys Vision maye inforce the resurrection of Christe.

Ryd. I accompt this a sounde and fyrme argument to proue the resurrection. But whether they saw hym in heauen or in earth, I am in doubte: and to saye the truthe it maketh no great matter. Bothe waies the argumente is of like strength. For whether he were sene in heauen, or whether he were sene on earth, eyther of bothe maketh sufficiently for the matter. Certayne it is, he rose agayn. For he could not haue ben sene, vnlesse he had rysen agayn.

Smith. Paule sawe him as he was here conuersant on earth, & not out of heauen, as you affyrme.

Ryd. You fall to youre begynning agayne. That you take for graunted, which you shulde haue proued.

Smith. You make delayes for the nones.

Ryd. Say not so I praye you. Those þ^t heare vs, be learned. They can tell bothe what you oppose, and what I aunswere well ynoughe, I warrant you.

Tresh. He was seene after suche sort that he might be heard.

Ergo he was corporally on the earth, or els how could he be heard?

Ryd. He that found the meanes for Stephen to beholde hym in heauen, euen he could bring to passe well inough, that Paule myght heare

hym out of heauen.

Smyth. Paule sawe hym as other sawe hym:

Other did see hym visibly, and corporally on earth.

Ergo Paule sawe him visibly and corporally on earth.

Ryd. I graunt he was sene visibly and corporally: but yet you haue not proued that he was sene in earth.

Smyth. He was sene so of hym as of other.

But he was seen of other being on earth, and appeared visibly to them on earth.

Ergo he was sene of Paule on earth.

Ryd. Your controuersy is about (existens in terra) that is being on the earth: if (Existere) to be, be referred as vnto the place, I denye that Christ after that sort was on the earth. But if it be referred as to the veritye of the bodye, then I graunt it. Moreouer I say that Chryst was sene of men in earth after his ascension, it is certayne. For he was sene of Stephen. He was sene also of Paule. But whether he descended vnto the earth, or whether he beyng in heauen did reuele or manifest himself to Paul, when Paule was rapt into the third heauen, I knowe that some contende about it: and the scripture, as farre as I haue red or heard, doth not determine it. Wherefore we cannot but iudge vncertainly of these thinges whiche bee vncertain.

Smith. We haue Egisippus and Linus agaynst you, which testify that Christ appeared corporally on the earth to Peter after hys ascēsion. Li. 3. cap. 3. Peter ouercome with the requestes and mourninges of the people, whiche desyred him to get him out of the citie, because of Nero his lying in wayt for him, began with out company to conuey him selfe awaye from thence: and when he was come to the gate, he seeth Christ com to mete hym: & worshippyng him, he saith: master whether walk you? Christ aunswereth, I am come againe to be crucified. Linus wryting of the passion of Christe hath the self same storye. S. Ambrose hath the same likewise, and also Abdias, scholer to þ^e Apostles which saw Christe before his ascendinge into heauen. With what face therfore dare you affirme it to be a thing vncertain. which these mē do manifestly witnes to haue bene done?

Ryd. I said before that the Doctours in that matter did vary.

Smith. Do you think this story is not certain being approued by so aunciente and probable autoritie?

Ryd. I do so think, because I take & esteame not theire wordes, for the wordes of scripture. And, though I did grant you that story to be certein, yet it maketh nothyng agaynst me.

Smith. Such things as be certein, and approued of thē, you do reiect as things vncerteine.

Ryd. The story of Linus is not of so great authoritye, althoughe I am not ignoraunte