Boner. How say you maister Doctour Cole? may not I procede against him by the law, for that he hath done in my dioces?

Cole. Me thinketh M. Philpot nedeth not to stand so muche with your Lordshippe in that poynt as he doth, sythen you seeke not to hynder hym, but to further him. Therfore I thinke it best that he go to the matter that is layd agaynst him of the conuocation, and make no longer delay.

phil. I would wyllingly shew my mynde of þ^e matter, but I am sure it will be laid against me to my preiudice, whē I come to iudgemēt.

Cole. Why, then you maye speake by protestation.

phil. But what shal my protestation auaile, in a cause of heresy (as you cal it) if I speake otherwyse then you wyll haue me, synce that which I spake in the Cōuocation house (being a place priuileged) cannot now helpe me.

Boner. But Maister. D. Cole, maye I not procede against hym, for that offense he hath done in my Dioces?

Cole. You may cal him before you, my lord, if he be found in your Dioces.

phil. But I haue by force bene brought oute of myne own dioces, to my Lordes, & requyre to bee iudged of myne owne Ordinarye. And therfor I know M. D. wil not say of his knowlege þ^t your lordship ought to procede against me. And here M. doctor woulde saye nothyng.  

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The fact is that Philpot had a very good legal argument; Bonner's authority to prosecute him was tenuous at best. Philpot should have been prosecuted by Stephen Gardiner, the bishop of Winchester, his ordinary.

VVorc. Doo you not thinke to finde before my Lord here as good equitye in your cause, as before your own Ordinary?

phil. I can not blame my Lorde of Londons equity, with whom (I thanke his Lordship) I haue founde more gentlenes since I cam, then of mine own Ordinary (I speake it for no flatterye) this twelue moneth, and this halfe before, who neuer woulde call me to answer, as his Lordship hath done now twise. Sed nemo prohibetur vti iure suo.  

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Sed nemo prohibetur vti iure suo

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Boner. Now you cannot saye hereafter, but that ye haue bene gently communed withall of my Lordes here, and yet you be wylful and obstinate in your errour, and in your owne opinions, and wyl not shewe anye cause why you wyl not come into the vnity of the church with vs.

phil. My Lordes, in that I do not declare my mynde according to your expectation, is as I haue sayde, because I can not speake without present daunger of my lyfe. But rather then you shoulde reporte me by this, either obstinate or selfe willed, without any iust ground, wherupon I stand: I wyl open vnto you somwhat of my mynde, or rather the whole, desyring your lordships, which seme to be the pyllers of the church of England, to satisfy me in

the same. And I wil referre al other causes in the which I dissent from you, into one or two articles, or rather to one, which includeth thē both, in the which, if I can (by the scriptures) be satisfied at your mouthes, I shal as willingly agree to you, as any other, in all poyntes.

Boner. These heretickes come alwayes with their yfs, as this man doth nowe, saying: if he can be satisfied by the scriptures, so that he wil alwayes haue this exception, I am not satisfied, although the matter be neuer so plainlye proued against hym. But wyl you promise to be satisifed, if my Lordes take some paynes about you?

phil. I saye (my Lorde) I will be satisfied by the scriptures, in that I stande. And I protest here before God, and his eternall sonne Iesus Christ my Sauioure, and the holye ghost, his angels, and you here present, that be Iudges of that I speake, that I do not stande in any opinion, of wilfulnes, or singularity, but only vpon my conscience, certaynly informed by gods word, from the which I dare not go. for feare of damnation. And this is the cause of mine earnestnes in this behalfe.

Boner. I will trouble my Lordes no longer, seing that you will not declare your mind.

phil. I am about so to doo, if yt please youre Lordship to heare me speake.

Bath. Gyue him leaue (my lord) to speke that he hath to saye.

Phil. My lords, it is not vnknowē to you, that the chiefe cause why you do count me, & such as I am for heretikes, is because we be not at vnity with your churche. You saye you are of the true churche. And we saye we are of the true churche. You saye, that who is oute of youre churche, is damned. And we thinke verily on the other side, that if we departe from the true churche, whereon we are graffed in gods woord, we shoulde stand in the state of damnation. Wherfore if your Lordshipe can bring any better auctorities for your church, then we can do for ours, & proue by the Scriptures, that the churche of Rome now (of the which you are) is the true catholike churche, as in all youre sermons, writinges, and argumentes you do vphold, and that al christē persons ought to be ruled by the same vnder payne of damnation (as you saye) and that the same churche (as you pretend) haue authority to enterprete the scriptures, as it semeth her good, and that al men are bound to folow such interpretations only: I shallbe as conformable to the same church as you maye desire me, the whiche otherwise I dare not. Therfore I require you for Goddes sake to satisfye me in this.

Cole. If you stande vpon this poynt onelye, you may soone be satisfied yf you lyst.

phil. It is the thing that that I require, & to