As for Melanchton, quod I, that maister Fecknam spake of, I marueile that ye wyl alleadge hym, for we are more nie an agrement here in England, then the opinion of Melāchton to you: for in this point we all agree here, that there is in the Sacrament but one materiall substaunce: and Melanchton (as I wene) sayeth there is two. Ye saye truthe, quod M. Secretary: Melanchtons opinion is so: but I praye you, ye haue redde that the Sacrament was in olde tyme so reuerenced, MarginaliaCatechimene and others wēt out at the ministratiō MarginaliaErgo ther is no substance of bread in the sacrament. than how manye were there that were forbidden to be present at the ministration thereof: Catecumeni quod he, and many mo: truth syr quod I, there was called some Audientes, some Pœnitentes, some Catechumeni, some Energumeni, which was cōmaunded to depart: now, quod he then, and how can ye thē make but a figure or a signe of the Sacrament, as that booke whiche is set forth in my Lord of Caunterburies name.  

I wisse ye can tell who made it: did not ye make it? and here was muche murmuring of the rest, as though they would haue geuen me the glorie of the wryting of the boke,MarginaliaBishop of Caunterburys boke whiche yet there was sayd of some there, to cōteine most heinous heresie that euer was.

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Maister Secretary, quod I, that booke was made of a great learned man, and him whiche is able to do the like again. As for me I ensure you (be not deceaued in me) I was neuer able to do or wryte any suche thing like. he passeth me no lesse, then the learned maister his yōge scholer.

Nowe, here euery man would haue his saying, whiche I passe ouer, not muche materiall for to tell, but sir, quod I, me thinkes, it is not charitably done, to beare the people in hand, that any man do lightly esteme the sacrament as to make of it but a figure, for that (but) maketh it a bare figure without any more profit: whiche that booke doth often denie, as appeareth to the reader most plain: yes, quod he, that doth he.

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Sir no, quod I, of a truthe: and as for me I ensure you, I make no lesse of the sacrament then thus. I saye whosoeuer receaueth the sacrament, he receaueth therewith other lyfe or death. no, quod maister Secretary, scripture saieth not so. syr quod I, although not in the same sould of wordes, yet it dothe in the same sense, and S. Augustine saieth in the sounde of wordes also, for Paule saieth, the bread which we breake, is it not the partaking or felowship of the body of Christ? and S Augustine, manduca vitam, bibe vitam.

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Then said maister Pope, what can ye make of it, when ye saye, there is not the reall body of Christ, which I do beleue &c. & I pray God I maye neuer beleue other. how can it bring, as ye say, other life or death, whē Christes body is not there? Sir quod I, when ye heare

gods word truely preached, if ye do beleue it and abide in it, ye shal and do receaue life with all, and if ye do not beleue it, it doth bring vnto you death: and yet Christes body is still in heauē & not carnal in euery preachers mouth.

MarginaliaObiection I pray you tel me quod he, how can you answere to this, quod pro vobis tradetur? was þ^e figure of Christes body geuen for vs? No Sir, quod I, but the very body it self, wherof the sacrament is a sacramentall figure. how saye ye then, quod he, to quod pro vobis tradetur: MarginaliaQuod expounded forsooth, quod I, Tertullians exposition maketh it plaine. for he saith, corpus est figura corporis now put to quod pro vobis tradetur, and it agreeth exceeding well. In faith quod he, I wold geue xl. pound, that ye were of a good opiniō. for I ensure you I haue heard you, and had an affection to you.

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I thankeyou maister Pope, for your harte & minde, and ye knowe quod I, I were a very foole if I wold in this matter dissent frō you, if that in my cōscience the truth did not enforce me so to doo. for I wisse, as ye doo perceaue, I trow, it is somwhat out of my way, if I wold esteme worldly gaine. what say ye, quod he, to MarginaliaCiprian.Ciprian? doth he not saye plainly, Panis quem dedit dominus non effigie sed natura mutatus omnipotentia verbi factus est caro?  

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Trewe Sir, so he doth saye; and I answere, euen the same which once by chaunce I preached at Pawles crosse in a sermon, for the which I haue bene as vniustly and as vntrewly reported as eny poore man hath bene.  

for there I speking of the sacrament, and inuehing against them that estemed it no better thē a pece of bread, I tolde euen the same thinge of Pœnitentes, Audiēntes, Catecumeni, Energumeni, that I speke of before: and I badd them departe as vnworthy to heare the mystery, and then I sayde to those that be sancti, Ciprian the Martyr shall tell you how is that Christ calleth it, saing, panis est corpus, cibus, potus, caro. &c. bycause that vnto this materiall substance is giuen the property of this thing wherof it beareth the name: and this place then toke I to vtter as the tyme wold then suffer that materiall substance of bread dyd remayne. Maister Fecknam which (as is reported to me) dyd belye me openly in the same matter, at Paules crosse, hard al thys my talke, as read as skarlet in hys face, and herein answered me neuer one worde. Ye do know wel quod Maister Secratary, that Origenes and Tertullian were not catholike, but erred. MarginaliaNone of all the doctors holden in al poyntes.Syr quod I, there is none of all the Doctors that are holden in all poyntes, but are thought to haue erred in some thinges. Syr, but I neuer hard, that it was other layde to Origens charge, or to Tertullian , that euer they were thought to haue erred in thys matter of the sacrament.

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