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1544 [1544]

K. Edward. 6. Boner called and examined before the Commißioners.

MarginaliaAn. 1549.Thys protestation being read, he requested the Cōmissioners that he myght haue the byll of complaint deliuered hym: which when he had well perused, he sayd that the same was very generall, and so generall, as that he could not directly aunswer thereunto. Whereunto the Archbishop aunswered, that the speciall cause of the complaynt agaynst him was, for that he had trāsgressed the kinges commaundement, geuen vnto hym by hys Counsail, in that he in hys late sermon made at Paules crosse, did not set forth vnto þe people the kings hyghnes Royall power in hys minoritie, according to the tenor of the article deliuered vnto hym by them for that purpose: and for proofe thereof called forth William Latimer and Iohn Hooper Preachers, who before that tyme had put vp the byll of complaint vnto the kyng agaynst hym. Vpon whom when the bishop had earnestly looked (and well behelde them) hee sayd: MarginaliaBoner inueyeth agaynst his denouncers.as for thys Marchant Latimer, I know hym verye well, and haue borne with hym, and winked at hys euill doinges a great whyle, but I haue more to saye to hym hereafter. But as touching thys other marchant Hooper, I haue not seene him before, howbeit I haue heard much of hys noughty preaching: and then turning him selfe agayne to the Archbishop (of purpose most like to make hys frendes thinke that hee was not called thether to aunswere hys contemptuous disobedience, but for matters of religion) sayd vnto hym: Ah my Lord, now I see that the cause of my trouble is not for the matter that you pretend agaynst me, MarginaliaBoner translateth his cause to the matter of the Sacrament.but it is for that I did preach and set forth in my late sermon, the true presence of þe most blessed body and bloud of our Sauiour Iesus Christ to be in the Sacrament of the aulter. MarginaliaBoner maketh exception of hys accusers.For, as these my accusers, as they be euil, infamed, and notorious criminous persons, so are they manifest and notable heretickes, and seducers of þe people, especially touching the sacrament of the aultar: and most of all this Hooper.

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MarginaliaBoners grosse opinion of the Sacrament of the Altar.For where in my late sermō at Paules crosse I preached that in the blessed Sacrament of the aultar, after the wordes of consecration, there is the true body and bloud of our Sauiour Iesus Christ, þe selfe same in substance that was hanged and shed vpon the crosse: he the same day at after noone, hauing a great rablement wyth him of hys damnable secte, openly in the pulpyt wythin my Dioces, dyd preach erroneously to the people agaynst it: and maliciously inueying agaynst my sermon, denyed the verity and presence of Christs true body and bloud to be in the same Sacrament, and also falsely and vntruely interpreted and expounded my wordes. And specially, where I preached and affirmed the verye true bodye and bloud of our sauiour Iesus Christ to be in the sayd sacrament, the selfe same in substaunce that was hanged and shed vpon the crosse: MarginaliaBoner rayleth against M. Hooper.hee like an Asse (as he is an Asse in deede) falsely chaunged and turned the word that into as, lyke an Asse, saying that I had sayd, as it hanged, and as it was shed vpon the crosse.

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MarginaliaTalke betwen the Archbyshop and Boner about the Sacrament.The Archbishop hereupon perceauing the byshops drift, and hearing hym talke so much of the presence of Christes bodye and bloud in the sacrament, sayd vnto hym: My Lorde of London, ye speake much of a presence in the sacrament: what presence is there, and of what presence do you meane? Wherewyth the bishop being somewhat sturred and moued in mynde (as appeared by hys collericke countenaunce) spake agayne to the Archbishop very earnestly, and sayd: What presence my Lord? I say and beleue that there is the very true presence of the body and bloud of Christ. What beleue you, and howe doo you beleue my Lord? Vpon whych wordes the Archbishop, because he saw his answere darke and subtyll, and minding somwhat to nyp the grosse absurditie of the Papistes, MarginaliaA question to Boner.asked hym farther whether he were there, face, nose, mouth, eyes, armes, and lips, wyth other liniamentes of hys body? Wherat the bishop shaking hys head, sayd: Oh, I am ryghtsory to heare your grace speake these wordes, and therwithall boldly vrged the Archbishop to shew his minde therein. Who wysely waying the fond presumption of the partie, wyth the place and occasion of theyr assembly, refused then so to do, saying that theyr beyng there at that tyme, was not to dispute of those matters, but to prosecute their Commission committed to them by their Prince, and therefore wylled hym to aunswere them vnto such thinges as were obiected against hym. Whereupon vnder hys protestation he requested to haue a copye both of the commission, and also of the denunciation geuē vnto hym, with tyme to answere therunto. MarginaliaDayes geuen to Boner to aunswere for hym selfe.Which the Commissioners wyllingly graunted, assigning him there to appeare agayne before them vpon Friday at eight of the clocke before noone, thē next following, and then to answer the tenor of the denunciation. And so for that day (he complayning somwhat of the shortnes of his time to answer) they all departed.

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¶ The second appearance of Boner in the Chappell of Lambeth, before the Archbishop and other. iiij. Commissioners, the B. of Rochester, Secretarye Peter, Secretary Smith, and the Deane of Paules.

MarginaliaThe second appearaunce of Boner before the kinges Commissioners.VPon Fridaye the. xiij. of September aforenamed, foure Commissioners, associated then also wyth Syr Thomas Smyth Knight the other of the kynges two principall Secretaries, and ioynt Commissioners with them, sat iudicially in the Archbishops Chappell within his house at Lambeth. Before whom (according to their former assignement) there and then appeared the bishop of London. To whom the Archbyshop in the name of the rest, fyrst sayd: My lord of London, the last tyme you were before vs, we layd certayn articles and matter to your charge touching your disobedience to þe kinges Maiestie, & you haue thys day to make your aunswer thereunto: wherefore now shew vs what you haue to say for your defence. Wherunto the bishop first asking the Archbishop if hee had all sayd and done, and he agayne saying yea, made thys aunswer: MarginaliaBoners aūswere to the Archbyshop of Canterbury.My Lord, the last daye that I appeared before you, I remember there sat in the kings Maiesties commission, your grace, you my Lorde of Rochester, you maister Secretarye Peter, and you Maister Deane of Paules: but now I perceiue there sytteth also Maister Secretarye Smyth. MarginaliaA precise point of the law, whether any new Commissioner may sit afterwarde, which satte not at the beginning.Who because he sat not at the begynning, nor tooke there the Commission vpon hym, ought not so to do: for by the lawe, they which begyn, must continue the commission.

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Wherupon the Archbishop first aunswered, that he was no lawyer and therfore could not certeinly shewe what the law willeth in that case, but (sayth he) if the law be so in deede, surely I take it to bee an vnreasonable law.

Well, sayd the Byshop, there bee here that knoweth the law: and yet I say not this to the intent to stand or sticke much in this point with you, but to tell it you as it were by the way: for I haue here myne aunswere ready.

MarginaliaThe wordes of Secretary Peter to Boner.Then sayd Maister Secretary Peter to the Bishop: My Lord in good sooth I must say vnto you, that although I haue professed the law, yet by discōtinuaunce and disuse therof, and hauyng bene occupied a lōg time in other matters from study of the law, I haue perhaps forgotten what the law will do precisely in this poynt: but admitte the law were so as you say, yet your selfe knoweth my Lord that this is our certein rule in law, Quòd consuetudo est iuris interpres optimus, and I am sure you will not nor can not denye, but that the custome is commonly in this Realme in all Iudgementes and Commissions vsed to the contrary: and in very deede all together at the Court hauing þe Cōmission presented vnto vs, take it vppon vs: and therfore for you to sticke in such triflyng matters, you shall rather in my Iudgement hurt your self and your matter, then otherwise.

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