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1612 [1550]

Quene Mary. Disputation in the Conuocation house about the reall presence.

MarginaliaAn. 1553.ples, to whom Christ sayd: This is my body vvhych is geuen for you, and not for Christ himselfe.

MarginaliaPhilpot.You haue sayd well for me, quoth Philpot, for that is myne argumēt. The promise of the body of Christ tooke no effect in Christ: Ergo Christ eate not his own body.

MarginaliaWeston also is contrary to Moreman.Then the Prolocutor to shoulder out the matter, sayd the argument was nought: For by the like argument he might go about to proue that Christ was not baptised, because the remission of synne, whych is annexed vnto baptisme, tooke no effect in Christ. To the whych Philpot replyed, MarginaliaM. Philpots argument not soluted. that lyke as Christ was baptised, so hee eate the sacrament: but he tooke on him baptisme, not that he had any neede thereof, or that it toke any effect in him, but as our maister, to geue the church an example to folow him in the ministration of the sacrament, and thereby to exhibite vnto vs hym selfe, and not to geue him self to him selfe.

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No more was sayd in thys. But afterward the Prolocutor demaunded of Philpot, whether he would argue agaynst the naturall presence, or no? To whom he answered: yea if he would heare his argument without interruption, and assigne one to aunswere him, and not many, whych is a confusion to the Opponent, and specially for hym that was of an ill memorye. MarginaliaThe conuocation continued to the next day. By thys tyme the nyght was come on: wherefore the Prolocutor brake vp the disputation for that time, and appointed Philpot to be the fyrst that shoulde begyn the disputation the next day after, concerning the presence of Christ in the sacrament.

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¶ The act of the fourth day.

ON the Wedensday the. xxv. of October, MarginaliaM. Philpot not suffered by the Prolocutor to make his declaration.Iohn Philpot, as it was before appoynted, was ready to haue entred the disputation, mynding fyrst to haue made a certayne Oration and a true declaration in latin of the matter of Christes presence, whych was then in question. Whych thing the Prolocutor perceiuing, by and by hee forebad Philpot to make any Oration or declaratiō of any matter, commaunding him also that hee should make no argument in latine, but to conclude on hys argumēts in English.

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Then sayd Philpot, MarginaliaD. Weston contrary to his owne wordes. this is contrary to your order taken at the beginning of this disputation. For than you appoynted that all the argumentes shoulde bee made in Latine, and therupon I haue drawen and deuised all my argumentes in Latine. And because you Maister Prolocutor, haue sayd heretofore openly in this house that I had no learning, I had thought to haue shewed such learning as I haue, in a briefe oration and short declaration of the questions now in controuersye: thinking it so most conuenient also, that in case I should speake otherwyse in my declaration then shoulde stande wyth learning, or then I were able to warrant and iustifye by Gods word, it might the better be reformed by such as were learned of the house, so that the vnlearned sort beyng present, might take the lesse offence thereat. But thys allegation preuayled nothing wyth the Prolocutor, who bad him styll forme an argument in English, or els to hold hys peace.

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Then sayd Philpot: You haue sore disapoynted me, thus sodainly to go from your former order: but I wyl accomplish your commaundement, leauyng myne Oration apart: and I wyll come to my argumentes, the whych as well as so sodayne a warnyng wyll serue, I wyll make in English. But before I bryng forth any argument, I wyll in one woord declare MarginaliaThe presence of Christ in the Sacrament distincted.what maner of presence I do disalow in the sacrament, to the intent the hearers may the better vnderstand to what ende & effecte myne argumentes shall tend: MarginaliaThe true presence of Christ in the Sacrament not denyed.not to deny vtterly the presence of Christ in hys sacramentes truly ministred according to hys institution, but onely MarginaliaThe grosse presence of the Papistes denyed.to denye that grosse and carnall presence which you of this house haue already subscribed vnto, to be in the Sacrament of the aultar, contrary to the truth and manifest meaning of the scriptures: that by transubstantiation of the sacramentall bread and wyne Christes naturall body shoulde by the vertue of the wordes pronounced by the Priest, be contayned and included vnder the formes or accidences of breade and wyne. This kinde of presence imagined by men, I do deny, quoth Philpot, & against this I will reason. But before he could make an ende of that he would haue sayd, he was interrupted of the Prolocutor, & commaunded to descend to hys argument. At whose vniust importunity Philpot being offended, & thinking to purchase hym a remedy therefore, hee fell downe vpon hys knees before the Earles and Lordes, whych were there

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present, beyng a great nomber: wherof some were of the Queenes Counsell, MarginaliaPhilpot craueth of the Lordes to prosecute hys arguments without interruption. besechyng them that he might haue liberty to prosecute hys Argumentes without interruption of any man: the which was gentilly graunted hym of the Lordes. But þe Prolocutor puttyng in vre a poynt of the practise of Prelates, would not condescende therunto, but styll cryed: MarginaliaPhilpot agayn interrupted by the Prolocutor. hold your peace, or els make a short Argument. I am about it, quoth Philpot, if you would let me alone. But first I must nedes axe a question of my Respondent (who was D. Chedsey) concernyng a worde or twayne of your supposition, that is, of the Sacrament of the aultar, what he meaneth thereby, MarginaliaAltar diuersly taken.and whether hee take it as some of the auncient writers do, termyng the Lordes Supper the Sacrament of the aultar partely because it is a Sacramēt of that liuely sacrifice which Christ offered for our synnes vpon the aultar of the Crosse, and partly because that Christes body crucified for vs was that bloudy sacrifice which the bloudsheedyng of all the beastes offered vpon the altar in the olde lawe, dyd prefigurate and signifie vnto vs: in signification wherof the olde writers sometyme do call the Sacrament of the body and bloud of Christ, among other names which they ascribe therunto, the Sacrament of the aultar: or whether you take it otherwise, as for the Sacrament of the altar which is made of lyme and stone, ouer the which that Sacrament hangeth, and to bee all one with the Sacramēt of the Masse, as it is at this present in many places. This done, I wil direct myne Argumētes accordyng as your aunswere shall gyue me occasion.

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MarginaliaChadsey.Then made Doct. Chedsey this aunswere, that in theyr supposition they tooke the Sacrament of the aultar, and the Sacrament of the Masse to be all one.

Then, quoth Philpot, I will speake playne Englishe, as Maister Prolocutor willeth me, and make a short resolution therof: that that Sacrament of the aultar which ye recken to be all one with the Masse, once iustly abolished and now put in ful vse agayne, is no Sacrament at all, neither is Christ in any wise present in it: and this hys saying he offered to proue before the whole house, if they lysted to call hym therunto: and lykewise offered MarginaliaPhilpots offer in the Conuocation house.to vouch the same before the Queenes grace and her most honorable Counsell, before the face of vj. of the best learned mē of the house of the contrary opinion, and refused none. And if I shall not be able (quoth he) to mainteyne by Gods worde that I haue said, and confound those vj. which shall take vpon thē to withstand me in this point, let me be burned with as many Fagots as be in London before the Court gates. This he vttered with great vehemency of spirite.

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At this, the Prolocutor with diuers other, were very much offended, demaundyng of hym whether he wyste what he said or no? Yea, quoth Philpot, I wote wel what I say: desiryng no man to be offended with his saying, for that he spake no more then by Gods worde he was hable to proue. And praysed be God (quoth hee) that the Queenes grace hath graunted vs of this house (as our Prolocutor hath informed vs) that we may frely vtter our consciences in these matters of controuersy in Religion: and therfore I will speake here my conscience frely, grounded vppon Gods holy worde for the truth, albeit some of you here present mislyke the same.

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Then diuers of the house beside the Prolocutor, taunted and reprehended hym for speakyng so vnfaringly agaynst the Sacrament of the Masse: MarginaliaThe Prolocutor threatneth Philpot.and the Prolocutor sayd he was mad and threatned hym, that he would send hym to prison, if he would not cease hys speakyng.MarginaliaArgumētū a loco topico carceris.

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Philpot seyng hym selfe thus abused, and not permitted with free liberty to declare his mynde, fell into an exclamation, castyng his eyes vp towardes the heauen and sayd: O Lord what a world is this, that the truth of thy holy worde may not be spoken and abyden by? and for very sorrowe and heauines the teares trickled out of hys eyes.

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After this, the Prolocutor beyng moued by some that were about hym, was content that he should make an Argument, so that he would be brief therein.MarginaliaPhilpot permitted to make a briefe argument. I will be as brief, quoth Philpot, as I may conueniētly be in vttryng all that I haue to say. And first I will begyn to grounde myne Argumentes vppon the authoritie of Scriptures, wherupon all the building of our faith ought to be groūded: and after I shall cōfirme the same by auncient Doctors of þe Church. And I take þe occasion of my first Argument out of the. MarginaliaMath. 28.28. of Mathew, of the saying of the Aūgell to the three Maryes seekyng Christ at the sepulchre, saying: He is rysen: he is not here: and in MarginaliaLuk. 23.S. Luke in the 23. Chapter the aungell asketh them, why they sought hym

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