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1639 [1601]

Queene Mary. Disputation of Doct. Cranmer Archbishop of Cant. at Oxforde.

Marginalia1554. Aprill.also by baptisme: and the vnity in baptisme is perfect.

Tres. We are not made one by baptisme in a perfect vnitie, as Hillarie there speaketh, but by the Communion, by which we are carnally made one: but not lykewyse by Baptisme: wherefore you vnderstande not Hillarie. You shall heare his wordes, which are these. MarginaliaObiection out of Hillary.He had now declared afore the Sacrament of his perfect vnion, saying: As the liuing father sent me, so do I also liue by the Father. And he that eateth my flesh, shall also lyue thorough me. And a litle after that, he writeth thus: This truly is the cause of our life, that we haue Christ dwelling by his flesh in vs that are fleshly, which also by him shall liue in such sorte, as hee lyueth by his Father. Wherefore, of these woordes it is manifest, that we obtaine thys perfect vnitie, by meanes of the Sacrament, & that Christ by it is carnally vnited vnto vs.

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MarginaliaAnswere to the place of Hillary.Cran. Nay Hillarie in that same place doth teach, that it is done by Baptisme: and that doctrine is not to be suffred in the Church, which teacheth, that we are not ioyned to Christ by Baptisme.

Weston. Repeate the argument.

Cran. You must first make an argument.

Tres. It is made already, but it shall be made agayne in this forme.

MarginaliaArgument.Da.
As Christ liueth by his father, so they that eate Chri-
stes flesh, lyue by the same flesh.
ti.
But Christ liueth by the father, not onely by faith and
loue, but naturally:
si.
Ergo, we liue not through the eating of Christes flesh,
by fayth and loue onely, but naturally.

Cran. We liue by Christ, not onely by faith and loue, but eternally in deede.

Tresh. Nay *Marginalia* The Papistes by thys one worde [naturally] confound them selues. For if the naturall body of Christ were eaten and went naturally into our bodies, thē should it followe, that the nature of hys body being immaculate, and now also immortall, our bodyes vnited in nature to hys pure and immortall body, naturally should neither sinne nor dye. VVherfore it remayneth that the naturall vniting to Christes body commeth not by the bodily eating of the Sacrament vnto our body, but to our soule, and so shall redound at length vnto our bodyes. naturally. I proue it thus.

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As Christ lyueth by the Father, so lyue we by his flesh eaten of vs:

But Christ liueth not by his father onely by fayth and loue, but naturally:

Therefore we do not lyue by eating of Christes flesh, onely by fayth and loue (as you suppose) but naturally.

Cran. The Minor is not true.

Tres. This is þe opinion of Arrius, that Christ is vnited to his father by coniunctiō of mind, & not naturally.

Cran. I say not so yet, neither doo I thinke so. But I will tell you what I like not in your Minor. You say that Christ doth not liue in his father, onely by fayth & loue: but I say, that Christ liueth not at al by his faith.

West. Marke and consider well this worde [by fayth] lest any occasion of cauilling be geuen.

Tres. Let that word [by fayth] be omitted. Neyther did I meane that Christ liueth by his father through fayth. Yet the strength of the argument remayneth in force. For els Hillary doth not confute the Arrians, except there bee MarginaliaIf that vnion of the substaunce of flesh should be graunted vnto our bodyes, thē should our bodyes neither die nor see corruption.a greater coniunction betwene vs and Christ, when he is eaten of vs, then onely a spirituall coniunction. You do onely graunt a vnion. As for a carnall or natural vnion of the substance of flesh, by which we are ioyned more then spiritually, you do not graūt. But our Lord Iesus geue you a better mynde: and shew you the light of his truth, that you may returne into the way of righteousnes.

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West. We came hether to dispute, and not to pray.

Tres. Is it not lawfull to pray for them that erre?

West. It is not lawfull yet. But procede.

MarginaliaThe same argument agayne repeated.Tres. Againe, I reason thus: As Christ lyueth by hys father, after the same maner do we lyue by the eating of his flesh.

But Christ lyueth not by his Father onely in vnitie of will, but naturally:

Ergo we do not liue whē we eate the flesh of Christ, onely by faith and vnity of wyll, but naturally.

MarginaliaAunswere.Cran. This is my fayth, and it agreeth with the scripture: Christ liueth by his father naturally, and maketh

vs to lyue by him selfe in deede: naturally, and that not onely in the Sacrament of the Eucharist, but also in Baptisme. For infantes, when they are baptised, do eate the flesh of Christ.

West. Aunswere eyther to the whole argument, or to the partes thereof. For this argument is strong, and can not be dissolued.

MarginaliaThe Archbishop repeateth the Argumēt.Cran. This is the argument:

As Christ liueth by his father, after the same maner doe we lyue by hys flesh, being eaten of vs:

But Christ lyueth not by his Father onely in vnitie of wyll, but naturally:

Ergo we eating his flesh, do not liue onely by fayth and loue, but naturally.

But the Maior is false: namely that by the same maner we lyue by Christ, as he liueth by his father.

West. *Marginalia* Christ not after hys manhode but after hys diuine nature liueth naturally by hys father, which diuine nature of hys worketh also in hys manhode an immortalitie: So our spirite and soule receauing the naturall body of Christ in the mysteries, by fayth doe receaue also the nature of hys body, that is, hys purenes, iustification, and lyfe: the operation wherof redounding likewyse vnto our bodyes, doth make the same also capable of the same glory and immortalitie. And thus it is true, that as Christ liueth naturally by hys father, so we liue naturally by the body of Christ eaten in the mysteries, hauyng respecte both to the manhode of hym and of vs. For as the flesh of Christ, in respect of bare flesh, liueth not naturally by the father, but for that it is ioyned to hys diuinitie: So our flesh liueth not naturally by Christes body eaten in the Sacrament (for then euery wicked man eatyng the Sacrament shoulde liue naturally by hym) but for that our flesh is ioyned to the spirite and soule, which truely eateth the body of Christ by fayth: and so onely the bodyes of the faythfull doe liue by eatyng the body of Christ naturally, in participatyng the naturall propertyes of the body of Christ. Hillary sayth: after the same maner, vpon these wordes: hee that eateth my flesh, shall liue by me: Ergo, Christ liueth by hys father, and as he liueth by is father, after the same maner we shall liue by his flesh.

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Here you see, that Hilary sayth: after the same maner.

Cran. After the same maner, doth not signifie lyke in all things: but in dede & eternally: for so doe we lyue by Christ, and Christ lyueth by hys father. For in other respects Christ liueth otherwise by his father, thē we lyue by Christ.

West. Hee lyueth by hys father naturally and eternally:

Ergo we liue by Christ naturally and eternally.

Cran. We do not lyue naturally, but by grace, if you take naturally for the maner of nature. As Christ hath eternall lyfe of his father, so haue we of him.

West. I sticke to this word naturally.

MarginaliaNaturally expounded.Cran. I meane it touching the truth of nature. For Christ liueth otherwise by his father, then wee lyue by Christ.

West. Hillary in the. 8. boke, De Trinitate, denieth it, when he sayth: he lyueth therfore by his father: and as he lyueth by his father, after the sme maner we shall lyue by his flesh.

Cran. We shall liue after the same maner, as concerning the nature of the flesh of Christ: for as he hath of his father þe nature of eternitie, so shal we haue of him.

West. Aunswere vnto the partes of the argument.

MarginaliaThe argument the third tyme repeated.As Christ lyueth by his father, after the same maner shall we liue by his flesh:

But Christ doth not lyue by his father onely in vnitie of wyll, but naturally:

Ergo we eating his flesh, do not lyue onely by fayth and loue, but naturally.

Cran. I graunt (as I said) we liue by Christ naturally: but I neuer heard that Christ lyueth with his Father in vnity of wyll.

West. Because it seemeth a maruaile vnto you, heare what Hillary sayth: These things are recited of vs to this ende: because the heretickes fayning an vnitie of wyll onely betwene the father & the sonne, did vse the exāple of our vnitie with God: as though that we being vnited to the sonne, and by the sonne to the father onely by obedience and wyll of religion, had no proprietie of the naturall communion by the sacrament of the body and bloud.

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But aunswere to the argument. Christ liueth by his father naturally and eternally: therefore doo we lyue by Christ naturally and eternally.

Cran.