Marginalia1554. Aprill.which do folow the worthy, & vnworthy eatyng therof.

Cran. Sithens you will needes haue an addition to it, we must vse both in Manna and in this Sacrament, indifferently, either worthely, or vnworthely.

Christ spake absolutely of Manna, and of the Supper, so that after that absolute speakyng of the Supper, wicked men can in no wise eate the flesh of Christ, and drinke his bloud.

Farther, MarginaliaAugust. in Ioan. tract. 26.Austine vppon Iohn tractatu. 26. vppon these wordes qui māducat &c. sayth: There is not such respect in common meates, as in the Lordes body. For who that eateth other meates, hath still honger and nedeth to be satisfied dayly: but he that doth eate the flesh of Christ, and drinketh his bloud, doth lyue for euer. But you know wicked men not to do so:

Ergo, wicked men do not receaue.

Harps. Saint Augustine meaneth, that he who eateth Christes flesh. &c. after a certaine maner, should lyue for euer. Wicked mē do eate, but not after that maner.

West. MarginaliaDoctour Cranmer cōmended for hys modestie.Your wonderfull gentle behauiour and modestie (good Maister Doct. Cranmer) is worthy much cōmendation: and that I may not depriue you of your right & iuste deseruyng, I geue you most harty thankes in mine owne name, and in the name of all my brethrē. At which saying all the Doctours gently put of theyr cappes. Then M. Weston did oppose the Respondent in this wise.

West. MarginaliaTertull. contra Martion.Tertullian doth call the Sacrament the signe and figure of the Lord.

MarginaliaAugust. ad Dardan.Saint Augustine Ad Dardanum sayth: Non dubitauit Dominus dicere: hoc est corpus meum, cum daret signum corporis. i. The Lord dyd not sticke to say, this is my body, when he gaue a signe of his body.

Besides this he geueth rules how to vnderstand the Scriptures, saying: MarginaliaAugust. de Doctrina Christiana.If the Scriptures seeme to commaund some heynous thyng, then it is figuratiue, as by example: Manducare carnē & bibere sanguinem, est tropicus sermo. i. To eate the flesh and drinke the bloud, is a tropicall speach.

Harps. MarginaliaAnswere to Tertull.Tertullian dyd write in that place agaynst Martion an hereticke, who denyed Christ to haue a true body, and said, he had onely a fantasticall body. He went about to shew that we had Christ both in heauen and in earth: and though we haue the true body in the Sacrament, yet he would not go about so to confound him, as to say that Christ was truly in the Sacrament: For that hereticke would haue thereat rather marueyled, then beleued it. Therfore he shewed hym, that it was the figure of Christ: and a figure can not be, but of a thyng that is, or hath bene extant.

To the text of Augustine: MarginaliaAnswer to August. The Church hath neuer taught the contrary. There is an outward thyng in the Sacrament, which sometimes hath sondry names. For it may be called a figure in this declaration: That body which is in the Sacrament, is a figure of Christ dwellyng in heauen.

To þ^e third: MarginaliaAnswere to August. De doctrina Christiana.That which is brought by Augustine for example, about the vnderstandyng of the Scriptures, is thus to be vnderstanded, as tendyng to a generall maner of eatyng: so, manducare carnem, & bibere sanguinem. i. to eate the flesh and drinke the bloud, may be a figuratiue speach to exclude Anthropophagiā. i. the eating of mans flesh: the which is, when we eate mās flesh cut into morsels, as we eate common meat: so as we neither haue not eate Christ in the Sacrament.

West. I vnderstand your short an learned aunswere, which doth sufficiently content me. MarginaliaThe 2. question.But now to the second question, which is of transubstantiation.

The Scripture calleth it bread:

Ergo it is bread.

Harps. In the name of bread all is signified which we do eate.

West. MarginaliaTheodoretus Dial. 1.Theodoretus, an auncient writer, in hys first Dialogue, sayth: that Christ chaunged not the nature, but called it hys body.

Harps. MarginaliaA singlesole aunswere to Theodoretus.He doth there speake de Symbolo, which is Externa species Sacramenti. i. the outward forme of the Sacrament. He meaneth that that doth tary in his owne nature. Moreouer, as it was reported, he brought for his aunswere Augustinum in sententijs Prosperi.

West. MarginaliaTheodoretus Dial. 2.Theoderete also in his secōd Dialogue of these kindes of bread and wyne, sayth: Nec naturam egrediuntur, manent etiam in sua substantia. i. They go not out of their own nature, but they tary in their owne substaunce.

Harps. They are vnderstanded to be of the same substance wherein they are *Marginalia* And how are they turned, if they remain in Priori substantia. turned.

West. But what say you by this? Manent in priori substantia. They remaine in their former substance,

Harps. Symbola manent. The outward signes do tary.

West. But what is ment here by this word, symbolū? MarginaliaSymbolum quid.

Harps. The outward forme or shape onely of the nature.

West. Then you can not call them a substaunce.

Harps. Yes Syr: euery thing hath a certain substance in hys kynde.

West. That is true: but accidentes are not substances in their kinde.

Harps. Sunt quid in suo genere. Of this they contended much.

West. MarginaliaChrysost. ad Cæsarium Monachum.Chrysost. ad Cæsarium Monachum, saith: Sicut antequam cōsecratur, panis est: sic postquam consecratur, liberatus est ab appellatione panis donatusq; est appellatione corporis dominici, cum natura remanet. That is: Like as before it is consecrated, it is bread: so after it is consecrated, it is deliuered from the name of bread, and is endued with the name of the Lordes body, where as the nature doth remayne.

Harp. Where reade you this place I pray you?

West. MarginaliaD. Weston compyleth hys argumentes out of Pet. Martyrs store.Here in Peter Martyr I finde it: I haue hys booke in my hand.

Harp. The Autor shalbe of more credite, before that I make so much of him, as to frame an aūswer vnto it.

West. In deede I know not well where he findeth it. But MarginaliaGelasius.Gelasius saith, that the nature of bread and wine doe tary.

Harp. What is that Gelasius?

West. A bishop of Rome.

Harp. Then he allowed the Masse.

West. Yea, and often tymes sayd it: and Purgatory also he allowed, and so prayer for the dead, reliques, & inuocation to Saintes.

Harp. Belike then he ment nothing agaynst transubstantiation.

West. It doth appeare so in deede. But MarginaliaOrigenes in Math. cap. 15.Origene vpon Math. the. 15. chap. saith: that the materiall bread doth tary, and is conueyed into the priuie, and is eaten of woormes.

Harp. Tush, tush, this place appertayneth vnto holy bread.

West. What? doth it appertaine to holy bread?

Harp. Yea vnto holy bread.

West. By what meanes can you shew how thys myraculous worke bringeth Christ into the sacrament?

Harp. By the scriptures I proue that, which sayth: Hoc est corpus meum: This is my body.

West. It doth reioyce all vs not a litle, that you haue so well maintayned the sound doctrine of the sacramēt of the aultar, wherein you haue faythfully cleaued to the catholicke church, as an onely stay of our religion: by the which meanes you haue proued your selfe mete to be authorised further towardes the practising of the scripture. And here I do openly wytnesse, that I doe throughly consent wyth you, and haue for disputation sake onely, brought these argumentes agaynst you,