Marginalia1555. Iune.in the fayth of his parentes.
Harps. How proue you that?
Haukes. By Saint Paule in the. vij. and the first to the Corinthians, saying: The vnbeleuing man is sanctified by the vnbeleuing woman, and the vnbeleuing woman is sanctified by the beleuing man, MarginaliaThe beleuing parents sanctify the childe.or els were your children vncleane.
Harps. I will proue that they whom thou puttest thy trust in, will be agaynst thee in this opinion.
Haukes. Who be those?
Harps. Your great learned men in Oxford.
Haukes. If they do it by the scriptures, I wil beleue them.
Boner. Recant, recant: do ye not know that Christ said, except ye be baptised, ye can not be saued?
Bonner appears to be thinking of Mark 16: 16.
MarginaliaChristianity standeth not in outward ceremonies.Haukes. Doth christianitie stand in outward ceremonies or no?
Boner. Partly it doth: what say ye to that?
Haukes. I say as Saint Peter saith: Not the washing of water purgeth the filthines of the flesh, but a good conscience consenting vnto God.
1 Peter 3: 21.
Harps. Beware of pride, brother, beware of pride.
Haukes It is written: MarginaliaSirach. 10.Pride serueth not for men, nor yet for the sonnes of men.
Boner. Let vs make an end here. MarginaliaBoner commeth in with his Masse.How say you to the Masse sirha?
Haukes. I say it is detestable, abominable, and MarginaliaMasse profitable for nothing.profitable for nothing.
Boner. What? nothing profitable in it? what say you to the Epistle and Gospell?
Haukes. It is good if it be vsed as Christ left it to bee vsed.
Boner. Well, I am glad that ye somewhat recant: recant all, recant all.
Haukes. I haue recanted nothing, nor will do.
Boner. How say you to Confiteor?
Confiteor (literally 'I confess' in Latin) is the form of confession used at the mass. What Haukes is objecting to is that this confession is made not only to God, but also to the Virgin Mary, St Michael and all the other saints.
MarginaliaConfiteor in the Masse a thing detestable.Haukes. I say it is abominable and detestable, yea and a blasphemy agaynst God and hys sonne Christ, to call vpon any, to trust to any, or to pray to any, saue only to Christ Iesus.
Boner. To trust to any, we byd you not: but to call vpon them, and to pray to them we byd you. MarginaliaBoners similitude to proue praying to Saintes.Do ye not know when ye come to Court ye can not speake with the king and Queene, vnles ye call to some of the priuy chamber that are next to the kyng and Queene?
[Back to Top]Haukes. They that list, receyue your doctrine. MarginaliaWe ought not to beleue in Saintes: Ergo, we ought not to call vpon them.You teach me that I should not beleue nor trust in any, but to call on them: and S. Paule saith: How should I cal vpon hym, on whom I beleue not?
MarginaliaPraying for the dead.Boner. Wyll you haue no body pray for you when you be dead?
Haukes. No surely, except you can proue it by the scriptures. Then the bishop pointed vnto Harpsfield and sayd vnto me: Is it not well done to desire thys man to pray for me?
Haukes. Yes, surely, so long as we lyue, prayer is auailable of the righteous man: but this mans praiers, you being dead, profiteth nothing at all.
Boner. Wyll ye graunt the prayer of the ryghteous man to preuayle?
Haukes. I graunt it doth for the liuing, but not for the dead.
Boner. Not for the dead?
Haukes. No forsooth, for Dauid sayth: MarginaliaPsal. 49.No man can deliuer hys brother from death, nor make agreement vnto God for him: for it cost more to redeeme their soules, so that ye must let that alone for euer. Also Ezechiell sayth: MarginaliaEzech. 14.Though Noe, Daniel, or Iob dwelt amongest them, yet can they in their righteousnes exceede no farther then thē selues. Then the Bishop sayd to Harpsfield: Syr, ye see thys man hath no neede of our Lady, neither of any of the blessed Saintes. Well, I wyll trouble you no longer. I did call you, hoping that you should doe some good on hym, but it wyll not be. And he sayd to me: MarginaliaBoner when he can not ouercome by doctrine, goeth about to oppresse by authority.Syr, it is tyme to begyn wyth you: we wyll ryd you away and
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Harps. What bookes haue you?
Haukes. The new Testament, Salomons bookes,
I.e., Proverbs, the Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes and possibly the Wisdom of Solomon.
Harps. Wyll you read any other bookes?
Haukes. Yea, if you wyll geue me such bookes, as I wyll require.
Harps. What bookes wyll you require?
Haukes. Latimers bookes, my Lord of Canterburies booke, Bradfords Sermons, Ridleyes bookes.
Boner. Away, away, he wil haue no bookes but such as mayntaine his heresies: and so they departed, for Harpsfield was booted to ryde vnto Oxforde, and I went to the Porters lodge agayne.
MarginaliaThe next dayes talke.THe next day came thether an old bishop,MarginaliaThis Bishops name was Byrd, Byshop sometymes of Chester, and Suffragane before of Couentrie. Of whom read before pag. 1146. who had a pearle in hys eye, and he brought with hym to my Lord a dish of apples, and a bottle of wyne. For he had lost hys liuing, because he had a wyfe. Then the Byshop called me agayne into the Orchard, and sayd to the old byshop: this young man hath a chyld, and wyll not haue it christened.
[Back to Top]Haukes. I deny not Baptisme.
Boner. Thou art a foole, thou cāst not tell what thou wouldest haue, and that he spake with much anger.
MarginaliaB. Boner reproued for his anger.Haukes. A Bishop must be blameles or faultles, sober, discrete, no chider, not geuen to anger.
Haukes is loosely quoting Titus 1: 7-8 and Timothy 3: 2-3.
Boner. Thou iudgest me to be angrye: no by my fayth am I not, and stroke him selfe vpon the brest.
Then sayd the old bishop: Alas good yong man, you must be taught by the church, and by your auncientes, and do as your fathers haue done before you.
Boner. No, no, he wyll haue nothing but the scriptures, and God wot he doth not vnderstand them. He wyll haue no ceremonies in the Church, no not one. What say you to holy water?
Haukes. I say to it, as to the rest, and to all that be of hys making that made them.
Boner. Why, the Scriptures doth alow it.
Haukes. Where proue you that?
MarginaliaSee how Boner proueth holy water by the scripture.Boner. In the booke of Kings, where Elizeus threw salt into the water.
Haukes. Ye say truth: it is so written in the 4. booke of Kings the 2. chapter: the children of the Prophets came to Elizeus, saying: The dwelling of this citie is pleasant, but the waters be corrupted. MarginaliaElizeus put salt in the water, not to washe away sinne, but only to make the water sweete.This was the cause that Elizeus threw salt into the water, and it became sweete and good: and so when our waters bee corrupted, if ye can by putting in of salt make them sweete, cleare, and wholesome, we will the better beleue your ceremonies.
[Back to Top]Boner. How say ye to holy bread?
Haukes. Euen as I sayd to the others. What scripture haue ye to defend it?
MarginaliaBoner proueth holy bread by the 5. loaues and 3. fishes.Boner. Haue ye not read where Christ fed fiue thousand men with fiue loaues, and three fishes?
Matthew 14: 17-21.
Haukes. Wyll ye make that holy breade? There Christ dealt fish with his holy bread.
Boner. Looke I pray you, how captious this man is.
Haukes. Christ did not this miracle, or other, because we should doe þe like miracle, but because we should beleue and credite hys doctrine thereby.
Boner. Ye wyll beleue no doctrine, but that which is wrought by miracles.
Haukes. No forsooth, for Christ saith: MarginaliaMarke. 16.These tokens shall follow thē that beleue in me: they shall speake with new tonges, they shall cast out deuils, & if they drinke any deadly poyson, it shall not hurt them.
Boner. With what new tounges do ye speake?
Haukes. Forsooth, where before that I came to the knowledge of Gods woord, I was a foule blasphemer and filthy talker, since I came to the knowledge thereof, MarginaliaHow conuerted Christians do speake with new tongues.I haue lauded God, praysed God, and geuen thankes vnto God euen with the same toung: and is
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