MarginaliaAn other dayes talke with D. Chadsey.The next day came Doct. Chadsey to þ^e Bishop, and then was I called into the garden before the Byshop  

& hym. The Byshop declared vnto hym that I had stand stubbornely in my defense agaynst the Christenyng of my childe, and agaynst the ceremonies of the Church, & that I would not haue it Christened but in English.

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Then sayd Doct. Chadsey: then he denyeth the order of the Catholicke Church.

Boner. Yea, he thinketh that there is no Church but in England, and in Germanie.

Haukes. And ye thinke that there is no Church but the Church of Rome.

Chad. What say ye to the MarginaliaThe church of Rome.Church of Rome?

Haukes. I say it is a Church of a sorte of vicious Cardinalls, Priestes, Monkes and Friers, which I will neuer credite nor beleue.

Chad. How say ye to the MarginaliaThe Bish. of Rome.Byshop of Rome?

Haukes. From hym and all hys detestable enormities, good Lord deliuer vs.

Chad. Mary so may we say from kyng Henry the eight, and all his detestable enormities, good Lord deliuer vs.

Haukes. Where were ye whiles that he lyued, that ye would not say so?

Chad. I was not farre.

Haukes. Where were ye in his sonnes dayes?

Chad. In prison.

Haukes. It was not for your well doyng.

Boner. He wil by no meanes come within my Chapell nor here Masse: for neither the Masse, neither the Sacrament of the aultar can he abyde, neither will he haue any seruice but in English.

MarginaliaChadseyes argument. Christ neuer spake Englishe: Ergo we must not pray in Englishe.Chad. Christ neuer spake English.

Haukes. Neither spake he euer any Latine, but alwayes in such a toung as the people might be edified therby. And Paule sayth,  

that tounges profite vs nothyng. He maketh a similitude betwene the pype & the harpe, and except it be vnderstanded what the trumpet meaneth who can prepare him selfe to the battell? MarginaliaAn instāce geuen agaynst Chadsey.so if I heare þ^e toung which I do not vnderstād, what profite haue I therby? no more then hee hath by the trumpet that knoweth not what it meaneth.

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Chad. If ye vnderstād Paules saying, he speaketh it vnder a prophecie. If we prophecie to you in tongs. &c.

Haukes. Forsoth Paul speaketh playnly of toungs: for tounges serue not for them that beleue.

Chad. I tell you Paul speaketh all together vppon Prophecie.

Haukes. Paul maketh a distinction betwene Prophecying and tounges, saying, Marginalia1. Cor. 14.that if any man speake with tounges, let it bee by two or three at the most, and let an other interprete it. But if there bee no interpreter, let them keepe silence in the congregation, and let hym selfe pray vnto God: and then let the Prophetes speake. ij. or iij. and that by course, and let the other iudge: and if any reuelation be made to hym that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace: so that it seemeth that Paul maketh a distinction betwene tounges and Prophecying.

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Boner. The order was taken in the Catholicke Church that MarginaliaLatin seruice.the Latin toung should serue through the whole world, because that they should pray generally altogether in one toung, and that to auoyd all contentiō and strife, and to haue one vniuersall order through the whole world.

Haukes. This did your Coūcels of Rome cōclude.

Boner. Vnderstand ye what the generall Coūcels of Rome ment?

Haukes. In deede all your MarginaliaThe generall Counsels of Rome.generall Councels of Rome be in Latin, and I am an English man: therfore I haue nothyng to do with them.

Chad. Ye are to blame, beyng an vnlearned man to reproue all the Councels throughout all the whole world.

Haukes. I reproue them not, but Paul rebuketh

them, saying: If any man preach any other doctrine then that which I haue taught, do you hold him accursed.

Chad. Hath any man preached any other doctrine vnto you?

MarginaliaOther doctrine taught in the Church of Rome thē euer Paul taught.Haukes. Yea, I haue bene taught an other Gospel since I came into this house.

Chad. What Gospell haue ye bene taught?

Haukes. Praying to Sainctes, and to our Lady, and trust in the Masse, holy bread and holy water, and in Idols.

Chad. He that teacheth you so, teacheth not a misse.

Haukes. Cursed be he that teacheth me so: for I wil not trust him, nor beleue him.

Boner. You speake of MarginaliaIdoles.Idols, and ye know not what they meane.

Haukes. God hath taught vs what they be: for what soeuer is made, grauen, or deuised by mans hād, contrary to Gods word, that same is an Idoll. What say you to that?

Chad. What be those that ye are so offended w^tall?

Haukes. The MarginaliaThe Crosse.crosse of wood, siluer, copper, or gold. &c

Boner. What say ye to that?

Hauk. I say it is an Idol. What say you to it?

Boner. I say euery Idol is an MarginaliaImages.image, but euery image is not an Idole.

Hauk. I say, what difference is there betwene an Idol and an Image?

MarginaliaNote here Boners definition of an Idol.Boner. If it be a false God, & an Image made of him, that is an Idol: but if an Image be made of God hymselfe, it is no Idol, but an Image, because he is a true God.

Hauk. Lay your Image of your true God and of your false God together, and ye shall see the difference. Haue not your Images feete & go not, eyes and see not, eares and heare not, hands and feele not, mouthes and speake not? and euen so haue your Idols.

MarginaliaNote here how grossely Chadsey vnderstandeth the wordes of S. Paul.Chad. God forbid, sayth S. Paul, that I should reioyce in any thing els, but in the crosse of Christ Iesus.  

Hauk. Do ye vnderstand Paul so? Do ye vnderstand Paul? Vnto the which he answered me neuer a word.

Boner. Where can we haue a godlier remembraunce when we ride by the way, then to see the Crosse.

Hauk. If the Crosse were such profit vnto vs, why did not Christes disciples take it vp, and set it on a pole, and cary it on procession with Salue festa dies?

Chad. It was taken vp.

Hauk. Who tooke it vp? Helene,  

as ye say, for she sent a peece of it to a place of religion,   where I was with the visiters when that house was suppressed, MarginaliaThe people seduced by false peeces of the holy Crosse.and the peece of the holy Crosse (which the religious had in such estimation, and had robbed many a soule, committing Idolatry to it) was called for, and when it was proued, and all came to all, it was but a peece of lath couered ouer with copper, double gilted as it had bene cleane gold.

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Boner. Fie, fie. I dare say thou sclaunderest it.

Hauk. I know it to be true, and do not beleue the contrary. And thus did the Bishop and the Doctor depart in a great fume: and Chadsey sayd vnto me, as he was about to depart: MarginaliaNote here discretly the spirite of Chadsey.it is pity that thou shouldest liue, or any such as thou art. I aunswered: in this case I desire not to liue, but rather to dye.

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Chad. Ye die boldely because ye would glory in your death, as Ioane Butcher did.  

Haukes. What Ioane Butcher  

did, I haue nothing to do withall: but I would my part might be to morrow. God make you in a better mynde, sayd they both, and so they departed, and I went to the porters lodge wyth my keper.

The next day D. Chadsey preached in the Bishops chappell, and did not begin his sermon vntill all the seruice was done, and then came the porter for me, and