Marginalia1555. Iuly.other: for all proceedeth forth of one spirite of truth.

Yorke. That place of Peter is not to be vnderstād of the word written.

Brad. Yes Sir, that it is, and of none other.

Chick. Yea, in dede M. Bradford doth tell you truly in that point.

Yorke. Well, you know that Irenæus and others do magnify much and alleadge the church agaynst the heretickes, and not the scripture.

MarginaliaThe authoritie of the church alledged agaynst heretikes, and wherefore.Brad. True, for they had to do with such heritickes as did deny the scriptures, and yet did magnify the Apostles: so that they were inforced to vse the autority of those churches wherin the Apostles had taught, and which had styll retained the same doctrine.

Chic. You speake the very truth: for the heretickes did refuse all scriptures, except it were a peece of Lukes Gospell.

Brad. Then the alleadging of the church can not be principally vsed agaynst mee, which am so farre from denying of the scriptures that I appeale vnto them vtterly, as to the onely iudge.

MarginaliaTo iudge the church.Yorke. A prety matter, that you will take vpon you to iudge þ^e church. I pray you where hath your church bene hetherto? For the church of Christ is catholycke and vysible hetherto.

MarginaliaThe church is catholike and visible but yet sometimes more catholike and visible thē at some.Brad. My Lord, I do not iudge the church, when I discerne it from that congregation, and those which be not the church, and I neuer denyed the church to be catholicke and visible, although at some tymes it is more visible then at some.

Chic. I pray you tell me where the church which allowed your doctrine, was these foure hūdreth yeares?

Brad. I will tell you my Lord, or rather you shall tel your self, if you wil tel me this one thing, where the church was in Helias his tyme, when Helias sayd that he was left alone?

Chic. That is no aunswere.

MarginaliaThe true church is visible and euer hath bene, but euery man hath not eyes to see it.Brad. I am sory that you say so: but this wyll I tell your Lordship, that if you had þ^e same eies wherwith a man might haue espyed the church then, you woulde not say it were no answere. The fault why the church is not seene of you, is not because the church is not visible, but because your eyes are not cleare enough to see it.

Chic. You are much deceyued in making this collation betwixt the church then and now.

Yorke. Very well spoken my Lord, for Christ sayd ædificabo ecclesiam,  

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St. Matthew, 16. 18 (Vulgate)

Foxe text Latin

aedificabo ecclesiam

Foxe text translation

I wyll build my church.

Actual text of St. Matthew, 16. 18. (Vulgate)

et super hanc petram aedificabo ecclesiam meam.

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Brad. My Lords, Peter teacheth me to make thys collatiō, saying: as in þ^e people there were false Prophets, which were most in estimatiō afore Christes cōming, so shall there be false teachers amongest the people after Christes cōming and very many shall follow thē. And as for your future tense, I hope your grace will not therby conclude Christes church not to haue bene before, but rather that there is no building in the church but by Christes worke onely: for Paule and Apollo be but waterers.

MarginaliaThe Bishops driuen to an inconuenience.Chichester. In good fayth I am sory to see you so light in iudging the Church.

Yorke. He taketh vpon him as they all do, to iudge the church. A man shall neuer come to certaintie that doth as they do.

MarginaliaBradford condemned without iust cause but as was gathered at his iudgement agaynst him.Brad. My Lordes, I speake simply what I thinke, and desire reason to aunswer my obiections. Your affections and sorrowes can not by my rules. If that you consider the order and case of my condemnation, I can not thinke but that it should some thing moue your honours. You know it well enough (for you heard it) no matter was layd against me, but what was gathered vpon myne owne confession. Because I did denye Transubstantiation and the wycked to receiue Christes body in the Sacrament, therefore I was condemned and excōmunicate, but not of the church, although the pillers of the church (as they be taken) did it.

Chich. No, I heard say the cause of your prisonment was, MarginaliaFalse surmise agaynst Bradford.for that you exhorted the people to take the sword in the one hand, and the mattocke in the other.

Brad. My Lorde, I neuer ment any such thyng, nor spake any thing in that sort.

Yorke. Yea, and you behaued your selfe before the Counsel so stoutly at the first, that you would defende the religion then: and therefore worthely were you prysoned.

Brad. Your grace did heare me aunswer my Lord Chauncellour to that point. But put case I had ben so stoute as they and your Grace make it: MarginaliaBradford imprisoned for that, for which he had the lawes on his side.were not the lawes of the Realme on my side then? Wherefore vniustly was I prisoned: onely that which my L. Chauncellour propounded, was my confession of Christes truth against Transubstantiation, and of that which the wicked do receiue, as I said.

Yorke. You deny the presence.

Brad. I do not, MarginaliaThe presence of Christes body to fayth of the worthy receauer.to the faith of the worthy receiuers.

Yorke. Why? what is that to say other, then that Christ lyeth not on the aultar?

Brad. My Lord, I beleue no such presence.

Chich. It seemeth that you haue not red Chrysostome, for he proueth it.

Brad. Hetherto I haue bene kept wel inough with out bookes: howbeit this I doo remember of Chrysostome, that he saith MarginaliaHyperbolicall phrase of Chrysostome.that Christ lieth vpon the altar, as þ^e Seraphins with their tounges touch our lyps wyth the coales of the aultar in heauen, which is an hyperbolical loquution, of which you know Chrysostome is full.

Yorke. It is euident that you are to farre gone: but let vs come then to the church, out of the which ye are excommunicate.

Brad. I am not excōmunicate out of Christs church my Lord, although they which seeme to be in the church and of the church haue excōmunicated me, MarginaliaBradford excommunicated with the poore blinde man. Iohn. 9.as the poore blind mā was, Iohn. ix. I am sure Christ receiueth me.

Yorke. You deceiue your selfe.

Here, after much talke of excōmunication, at length Bradford sayd.

Brad. Assuredly, as I thinke you did well to depart from the Romish church, so I thinke ye haue done wickedly to couple your selues to it agayne: for you can neuer proue it, which you call the mother church, to be Christes Church.

Chiche. Ah Maister Bradford, you were but a child when this matter began. I was a yong man, and then cōming from the Vniuersitie, I went with the world, but I tell you it was alwaies against my conscience.

Brad. I was but a childe then: howbeit, as I tolde you, I thinke you haue done euyll. MarginaliaThe Pope proued to be Antichrist by scripture.For ye are come and haue brought others to that wycked man which sitteth in the temple of God, that is in the Church: for it can not be vnderstād of Mahomet, or any out of the church, but of such as beare rule in the church.

Yorke. See how you build your fayth vppon such places of Scripture as are most obscure to deceyue your selfe, as though ye were in the Church where you are not.

Brad. Well my Lord, though I might by fruites iudge of you and others: yet will I not vtterly exclude you out of the Church. And if I were in your case, I would not condemne him vtterly, that is of my fayth in the Sacramēt: knowyng as you know, that at the least 800. yeares after Christ, MarginaliaWhat Bishop Tonstall writeth of trāsubstantiation.as my Lord of Duresme writeth, it was free to beleue, or not to beleue transubstantiation.

Yorke. This is a toy that you haue founde out of your owne brayne: as though a man not belueying as the Church doth, that is transubstantiation, were of the Church.

Chic. He is an hereticke, and so none of the Church that doth hold any doctrine agaynst the definition of the Church: as a man to hold against transubstantion. Cy-