MarginaliaAn. 1555. Iuly.prian was no hereticke though he beleued rebaptising of them which were Baptised of heretickes, because he held it before the Church had defined it,MarginaliaNote how these Bishops them selues doe graunt, that the time was when transubstātiation was not defined by the church. Tonstall sayth it was more then 800. yeares after Christ. whereas if he had holden it after, then had he bene an hereticke.

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Brad. Oh my Lord, will ye condemne to the deuill any man that beleueth truely the twelue Articles of the faith (wherin I take the vnitie of Christes church to consist) although in some pointes he beleue not the definition of that which ye call the Church? I doubt not but that hee which holdeth firmely the Articles of our belief, though in other things he dissent from your definitions, yet he shalbe saued.

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Yorke. Chic. Yea, sayd both the Byshops? this is your Diuinitie.

Brad. No it is Paules, which sayth, that if they hold the foundation Christ, though they build vppon hym straw and stubble, yet they shalbe saued.

Yorke. Lord God, how you delite to leane to so hard and darke places of the Scripture.

Chi. I will shew you how that Luther did excommunicate Zuinglius for this matter, and so hee red a place of Luther makyng for his purpose.

Brad. My Lord, what Luther writeth, as you much passe not, no more do I in this case. MarginaliaM. Bradford hangeth not of Luther, Zuinglius, or Oelamp. and yet he accompteth them good men.My faith is not builded on Luther, Zuinglius, or Oecolampadius in this point: and in deede to tell you truly, I neuer red any of their workes in this matter. As for them, I do thinke assuredly that they were, and are Gods children and Saintes with him.

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Yorke. Wel, you are out of the Communion of the Church.

Brad. I am not: for it consisteth and is in faith.

Yorke. Lo, how you make your Church inuisible: for you would haue the Communion of it to consiste in faith.

Brad. For to haue communion with the Church needeth no visiblenes of it: MarginaliaCommunion of the church consisteth in fayth, and not in visible ceremonies.for Communion consisteth, as I sayd, in fayth, & not in exteriour ceremonies: as appeareth both by Paul, which would haue one fayth, and by Irenæus to Victor, for the obseruation of Easter, saying that MarginaliaDisagreing in rites breaketh no agreement in fayth. Ireneus.disagreeyng of fastyng should not breake the agreeyng of faith.

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Chic. That same place hath often euen wounded my conscience, because we disseuered our selues from the sea of Rome.

Brad. Well, God forgeue you: for you haue done euill to bryng England thether agayne.

Yorke. Here my Lord of Yorke tooke a booke of paper of cōmon places, and red a peece of MarginaliaAug. contra Epist. fundament.S. Austen contra Epistolam fundamenti,  

how that there were many thinges that did hold S. Augustine in the bosome of the Church: MarginaliaConsent of people:consent of people and nations, MarginaliaAuthoritie cōfirmed with miracles:authoritie confirmed with miracles, MarginaliaNourished with hope:nourished with hope, MarginaliaEncreased with charitie:encreased with charitie, MarginaliaEstablished with antiquitie:established with antiquitie: besides this, there holdeth me in the Church, sayth S. Augustine, MarginaliaSuccession of Priestes:the succession of Priestes from Peters seate vntill this present Byshop. Last of all MarginaliaThe name Catholicke.the very name of Catholicke doth hold me. &c. Lo (quoth he) how say you to this of Saint Augustine? paynt me out your Church thus.

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Brad. My Lord, these wordes S. Augustine make as much for me as for you: although I might aūswere, that all this, if they had bene so firme as you make thē, MarginaliaAll this might be obiected agaynst Christ and his Apostles by the Scribes and Phariseis.might haue bene alledged agaynst Christ and his Apostles. For there was the law and the ceremonyes consented on by the whole people, confirmed with miracles, antiquitie, and continuall succession of Byshops from Aarons tyme vntill that present.

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Chic. In good faith M. Bradford, you make to much of the estate of the Church before Christes commyng.

Brad. Therin I do but as Peter teacheth 2. Peter 2. & Paul very often. You would gladly haue your church here very glorious, and as a most pleasaūt Lady. But as Christ sayd: Beatus est quicunq; non fuerit offensus per me:  

So may his church say: Blessed are they that are not offended at me.

Yorke. Yea, you thinke that none is of þ^e Church but such as suffer persecution.Brad. What I thinke, God knoweth. I pray your grace iudge me by my wordes and speakyng, & marke that Paul sayth: omnes qui. &c.  

All that will lyue godly in Christ Iesu must suffer persecution. Sometymes Christes Church hath rest here: but MarginaliaThe church commōly not glorious in this world, but poore and persecuted.commonly it is not so, and specially towardes the end her forme wilbe more vnseemely.

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Yorke. But what say you to S. Augustine? where is your Church that hath the cōsent of people & nations?

MarginaliaConsent of the godly.Brad. Euen all people & nations that be Gods people haue consented with me and I with them in the doctrine of fayth.

Yorke. Lo, ye go about to shift of all thinges.

Brad. No my Lord: I meane simply, and so speake, God knoweth.

Yorke. Saint Austen doth here talke of MarginaliaSuccessiō from Peter.succession, euen from Peters seate.

Brad. Yea, that seate then was nothyng so much corrupt as it is now.

Yorke. Well, you alwayes iudge the Church.

Brad. No my Lord, MarginaliaChristes people may discerne the church, though they iudge not the church.Christes shepe discerne Christs voyce, but they iudge it not: so they discerne the church, but iudge her not.

Yorke. Yes, that you do.

Brad. No, and it lyke your grace: and yet full well may one not onely doubt, but iudge also of the Romish church: for she obeyeth not Christes voyce, as Christes true Church doth.

Yorke. Wherein.

MarginaliaThe church of Rome swarueth from the voyce of Christ, and wherein.Brad. In Latin seruice, and robbyng the laity of Christes cuppe in the Sacrament and in many other things, in which it committeth the most horrible sacrilege.

Chic. Why? Latin seruice was in England when the Pope was gone.

Brad. True: the tyme was in England when the Pope was away, but not all Popery: as in kyng Henryes dayes.

MarginaliaLatin seruice defended.Yorke. Latin seruice was appoynted to be song and had in the Queere, where onely were Clerici, that is, such as vnderstode Latin, the people sitting in the body of the Church praying their owne priuate prayers: and this may well be yet seene by making of the Chaūcell and Queere, so as the people could not come in, or heare them.

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Brad. Yea, but both in Chrysostomes tyme, and also in the Latin Church in Saint Ieromes tyme, MarginaliaAgaynst Latin seruice.all the Church (sayth he) reboat, Amen. That is, aunswereth agayne mightly, Amen. Wherby we may see that the prayers were made so, that both the people heard thē, and vnderstode them.

Chic. Ye are to blame to say that the Church robbeth the people of the cup.

Brad. Well my Lord, terme it as please you: MarginaliaThe people robbed of the cuppe.all mē know that the laitie hath none of it.

Chic. In deede I would wish the Church would define agayne, that they might haue it, for my part.

Brad. If God make it free, who can define to make it bonde?

Yorke. Well Maister Bradford, we leese but labor, for ye seeke to put away al thinges which are told you to your good: your church no man can know.

Brad. Yes, that ye may well.

Yorke. I pray you whereby?

Brad. Forsooth Chrysostome saith: MarginaliaThe church knowen only by the scriptures. Chrysost. in oper. imperfect.tantummodo per scripturas,  

alonely by þ^e Scriptures: and this speaketh he very often times, as ye well know.

Yorke. In deede that is of Chrysostome in opere imperfecto, which may bee doubted of. The thyng whereby the Church may be knowen best, is succession of Bishops.

Brad. No my Lord: Lyra full well wryteth vpon Mathew, that MarginaliaLyra sup. Math.Ecclesia nō consistit in hominibus ratione potestatis secularis aut Ecclesiasticæ, sed in