Marginalia1555. Iuly.sort, and the flesh of CHRIST that we receaue is liuely, for it hath the spirit of God ioyned to it. MarginaliaCase being put, that the Priest takyng a great quantitie in the Chalice be made dronke, which of these three is it that maketh hym dronke, the nature of bloud? the accidences onely of wyne? or els the true substance of wyne? let any reasonable man iudge.And if a man be dronken, it is not by receauing of the bloud of Christ, for it is contrary to the nature of Christs bloud. If he be dronken, it is by the qualities and quantities, wythout substaunce of bloud.
[Back to Top]Bland. I am glad that you are so much against all men, to say that CHRISTES body is alyue in the sacrament: it may fortune to bring you to the truth in tyme to come. Me thinke it is euyll to keepe CHRISTES body a lyue in your Pixe, or els must ye graūt that he is a lyue in receiuing, and dead in the Pixe. And ye say truth that it is *Marginalia
Argument.
* Christes bloud hath not that qualitie to make a man dronke:
Receauing of that in the Chalice can make a man dronke.
Ergo, that in the Chalice can not be the bloud of Christ. not the naturall receauyng of CHRISTES bloud that maketh a mā dronken: for it is þe nature of wine that doth that, which ye deny not. And a more truth ye confesse thē ye dyd thinke, whē ye said: if a mā be dronken, it is by þe qualities & quātities, wythout the substance of bloud: for in dede blood hath no such qualities wyth it: which is euident that ther is no naturall bloud. If a man be dronken with wine consecrated, it must be a miracle, as I thinke you wyll haue it, that the said accidences should be without their naturall substaunce, and worke all the operations of both substance and accidences: and so it followeth that a man may be dronken by myracle.MarginaliaFantasticall absurdities in the Popes doctrine to be noted. The body that ye receiue ye say is alyue, because it is annexed to the godhead, and the flesh that ye receiue is lyuely, because it hath the spirite of God ioyned to it. This diuision is of your new inuentions to deuide the body and the flesh, the one alyue by the Godhead, the other liuely by gods spirite, and both one sacrament: ye make of it a thyng so fantasticall, that ye imagine a body without fleshe, and flesh without a body, as ye do qualities and quantities without substance, and a lyuing body wythout qualities and quantities.
Myls. If case so requyre, and there be a godly intent in the Minister to consecrate, after the cōsecration therof there is present the body and bloud of CHRIST, and no other substaunce, but accidentes without substance to a true beleuer.
Bland. Ye graunt three absurdities,Marginalia In scholastic theology and philosophy, accidents are the physical attributes of an object, such as colour, taste, shape, etc., which do not comprise its physical essence ('substance'). The concept was important in disputes over the eucharist.
Three inconueniences grāted by the Papistes:
1. That a tonne of wine being consecrated, nothyng remayneth but accidentes:
2. Where hee sayth that the worde of God doth not consecrate without the intent of the Priest: which is agaynst their owne doctrine, saying that the wickednes of the priest minisheth not the sacrament.
3. Where he sayth, that to the vnbeleuer it is not the Sacrament, as the Papistes saye, that the wicked receiue the body. that in a Tun of wyne consecrate is nothing but accidences, and to increase it withall, ye haue brought in ij. incōueniences: first that it is not the word of God that doth consecrate, but the intent of the Priest must helpe to it: and if that lacke, ye seeme to graunt no consecration, though the Priest speake the word: and yet your Doctors say, that the wickednes of the Priest minisheth not the sacramēt. And to an vnbeleuer ye seeme to say that it is not the same that it is to the true beleuer: and then must the beleuer haue some thing to do in the consecration. Incidit in scyllam qui vult vitare charybdim.
Incidit in scyllam qui vult vitare charybdim.
Not translated.
He who wants to avoid Charybdis encounters Scylla.
'He falls into Scylla, who wishes to avoid Charybdis'. This is a proverb from Erasmus's Adagia I.5.4. The reference is to Scylla, a monster in classical mythology who inhabited a cliff opposite the lethal whirlpool Charybdis. Sailors who tried to avoid the one ran the risk of encountering the other. Bland is saying that Mills, in trying to avoid one theological error, falls into another.
[Back to Top]Myls. The substance of CHRISTES body doth not fyl the Mouses belly. For although he doth receiue the outward formes of bread and wine, yet he doth not receiue the substance inwardly, but without violation. And a Mouse doth not eate the body of CHRIST, to speake properly: for it doth not feede him spiritually nor corporally as it doth man, because he doth not receiue it to any inducement of immortality to the flesh.
[Back to Top]Bland. Ye make not your doctrine plaine to be vnderstand: we must knowe how a Mouse can receyue the substance inwardly & outwardly. Marginalia
Argument. a contrario sensu.
The mouse receiueth not the body inwardly, but without violation:
Ergo, with violation he receiueth the body inwardly.Ye say he doth not receiue the substāce inwardly, but without violation:
I.e., violation of Christ's body in the consecrated wafer.
Mouse can not violate CHRISTES body.Marginalia
Argument.
The mouse violateth not the body of Christ:
The mouse violateth the substāce which he eateth:
Ergo, the mouse eateth no substāce of Christes body. But he violateth the substaunce that hee eateth: And this your proper speech doth importe as much, as that þe Mouse should eate the sacramēt to as great effect, and the same thing, as doth þe vnworthy receiuer. For if that be the cause that she properly eateth not the body of Christ, because she doth not fede vpō it spiritually nor corporally, nor receiueth it to any inducemēt of immortality as ye say: then it followeth that the vnbeleuer and the *Marginalia* The mouse and the beleuer receaue the body of Christ, both a like, by the Papistes doctrine. Mouse receiueth both one thyng. And yet it cannot be denyed but the *Marginalia
* Argument.
No mouse can liue with accidēces only without substance.
A mouse may liue with consecrated hostes.
Ergo consecrated hostes haue not only accidences, but the substance of bread. Mouse wyll lyue with consecrated bread, and then ye must graunt the absurdity, that a substance is nourished and fed onely with accidences.
Myls. Mens bodies be fed with CHRISTES body as with immortall meate, by reason of the godhead annexed to eternall lyfe: but mens bodies be corporally nourished with qualities and formes of bread and wyne: and we deny, that by the sacramentall eating any grosse humor turned into bloud, is made miraculously in the body.
[Back to Top]Bland. Where it cannot be denyed that a man may lyue, and naturally bee nourished in his naturall body with the sacramentall bread and wyne consecrated: ye can not auoyd that: but then ye turne to the spirituall worshipping of mans bodie, by CHRISTES body and Godhead annexed, which is nothing to put away the absurdity, that either a mans naturall body should bee fed naturally with accidēces, or els to haue them chaūged into grosse humors. MarginaliaAn other absurditie that mens bodies be nourished naturally with accidēces, and qualities.But ye say mens bodies bee corporally nourished with qualities & formes of breade and wyne, and then must ye needes graunt that qualities and quantities must be made substaunce in man. For ex eisdem sunt & nutriuntur mixta,
ex eisdem sunt & nutriuntur mixta
Not translated.
For they are of the same and nurtured in a mixture. (?)
Myls. MarginaliaAn other absurditie, that substance is made of accidences, when ashes or wormes be made of the formes of bread and wine.If the formes of bread and wyne be burned, or woormes engendred, it is no derogation to the body of CHRIST, because the presence of his body ceaseth to be there, and no substance commeth againe.
[Back to Top]Bland. Ye graunt here that a substāce may be made of accidences, as ashes or woormes: but I thincke you wyll haue it by your myracles, and this I count more absurditye then the other, that CHRISTES body should cease to be there, and no substaunce to come agayne: for no woord in all the whole Bible seemes to serue you for the ceasing of his presence, though wee graunted you, which we do not, that it were there.
[Back to Top]God almighty open your hart, if it be his wyll and pleasure, to see the truth. And if I thought not my death to be at hand, I would aunswere you to all the rest, in these and all other my doinges.
I submit my self to our Sauiour IESVS CHRIST and hys holy worde, desiring you in the bowels of CHRIST to do the same.
Your Oratour to the Lord Iohn Bland.
Bland's long letter to his father, recounting his arrest and examinations, ends here.
Hetherto you haue heard the troublesome handlyng of this faithfull & blessed seruaunt of God Iohn Bland, tost to and fro, from prison to prison, from Session to Session. At last hee was brought before the Byshop of Douer, the Commissary, and the Archdeacon at Canterbury, the. xiij. day of Iune.
The terse accounts of Bland's final examinations on 13 and 20 June 1555 are taken from a now lost official record, probably a court book.
I.e., Cardinal Pole, the archbishop of Canterbury.
I.e., his agent.