MarginaliaAn. 1555. October.and such lyke: wherefore it requyreth that I preferre the antiquity of the primatiue church before the nouelty of the Romish Church.
Lin. M. Ridley, these faultes which you charge the Sea of Rome withall, are in deede no faultes. For first it was neuer forbid þe laitie, but that they might if they *Marginalia* The Bohemians required that, and were shent for theyr labour. Read before pa. 714. demaunded, receiue vnder both kyndes. You know also that Christ after his resurrection, at what tyme he went with his Apostels to Galile, opened hymselfe by breaking of bread. You knowe that S. Paule after hys long sailing towardes Rome brake bread, & that the Apostels came together in breaking of bread, which declareth that it is not vnlawfull to minister the Sacrament vnder the forme of bread onely:MarginaliaGreat reasons of the Catholickes to proue the communion vnder one kinde. & yet the church had iust occasion to decree that the laity should receyue in one kynd onely, thereby to take away an opinion of the vnlearned, that CHRIST was not wholy both flesh and bloud vnder the forme of bread. Therefore to take away that opinion, and to establish better the peoples fayth, the holy ghost in the church thought good to decree that the laity should receiue onely in one kynde: and it is no newes for the church vpon iust cōsideration to alter rites & ceremonies. Marginalia a suffocato & sanguine from thyngs stifled and from bloud
Argument.
The church did abrogate the precept of the Apostle of strangled and bloudinges:
Ergo the church likewise hath authoritie touching the ministration vnder both kindes.For you read in þe Actes of the Apostles, that S. Paule wryting to certaine of the Gentiles which had receyued þe Gospell, biddeth thē to abstaine a suffocato & sanguine,
Strangled; the reference is to Hebrew dietary law which prohibits the eating of animals that are not killed in the prescribed manner.
The reference is to Acts 15: 20 and 29 and 21: 25 in which Paul commanded Gentile Christians to observe Jewish dietary laws.
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Auuswere.
The precept of the apostles was but for a time, and for a purpose, by litle to winne the Iewes.
Christes commaundement [doe thys] was for euer and simply commaunded without any bearing wyth the strong or weake.Rid. My Lord, such things as S. Paule enioyned to þe Gentiles for a sufferaunce, by a little and a litle to win the Iewes to CHRIST, were onely commaundements of tyme, and respected not the successours:
Did not apply to succeeding generations.
¶ But the B. of Lincolne not attendyng to thys aunswer, without any stay proceeded in hys oration.
So that the church seemeth to haue authority by the holy Ghost, whom CHRIST sayd he would send after hys ascension, which should teach the Apostles all truth, to haue power & iurisdiction to alter such points of the scripture, euer reseruyng the foundation: but we came not, as I sayd before, in this sort to reason the matter wyth you, but haue certayne instructions ministred vnto vs, according to the tenor of the which wee must proceede, proposing certayne articles, vnto the which we require your aunswer directly, eyther affirmatiuely either negatiuely to euery of them, either denying them, either graunting them without farther disputations or reasoning: for we haue already stretched our instructions, in that we suffered you to debate and reason the matter in such sorte as wee haue done: the which articles you shall heare now, and to morrow at eight of the clocke in S. Maries church, we wyl require and take your aunswers, and then according to the same proceede: and if you require a copy of them, you shall haue it, pen, inke and paper, also all such bookes as you shall demaund, if they be to bee gotten in the Vniuersitye.
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Separately.
In dei nomine, Amen. Nos Iohannes Lincoln. Iacobus Glocest. & Iohannes Bristol. Episcopi, per Reuerendis. dominum Reginaldum miseratione diuina S. Mariae in Cosmedin. &c.
Not translated.
In the name of God, Amen. We, Bishops John of Lincoln, James of Gloucester and John of Bristol, through the Most Reverend Lord Reginald with the divine pity(?) of St. Mary in Cosmedin(?). etc.
[As in1563,but shortened]
1. We do obiect to thee Nic. Ridley and to thee Hugh Latymer, ioyntly and seuerally, first that thou Nic. Ridley in this hye Vniuersitie of Oxford, an. 1554. in the monethes of Aprill, May, Iune, Iuly, or in some one or mo of thē, hast affirmed and openly defended and mainteined, and in many other tymes and places besides, that the true and naturall body of CHRIST, after consecration of the Priest, is not really present in the Sacramēt of the altar.
[Back to Top]2. Item, that in the yeare and monethes aforesaid, thou
hast publickly affirmed and defended, that in the Sacrament of the altar remaineth still the substance of bread and wyne.
3. Itē, that in the said yeare & monethes, thou hast opēly affirmed, and obstinatly mainteined, that in the Masse is no propitiatory sacrifice for the quicke and the dead.
4. Item, that in the yeare, place, and monethes aforesayd, these thy foresayd assertions solemnly haue bene cōdemned by the scholastical censure of this schole, as hereticall, & contrary to the Catholicke faith, by the worshipfull M. Doct. Weston Prolocutor then of the conuocation house, as also by other sondry learned men of both the Vniuersities.
[Back to Top]5. Item, that all and singular the premisses be true, notorious, famous, and openly knowen by publicke fame, as well to them nere hand, as also to them in distant places farre of.
ALl these articles I thought good here to place together, that as often as herafter rehearsall shalbe of any of them, the reader may haue recourse hether, and peruse the same, and not to trouble the story with seuerall repetitions therof.
Lincol. After these Articles were read, the Bishops tooke counsell togethers. MarginaliaB. Ridley examined vpon the Articles aforesayd.At the last the Byshop of Lyncolne sayd: these are the very same Articles which you in open disputation here in the Vniuersitie did maynteyne and defend. What say you vnto the first? I pray you aunswere affirmatiuely or negatiuely.
[Back to Top]Rid. Why my Lord, I supposed your gentlenes had bene such, that you would haue geuen me space vntill to morow, that vppon good aduisement I myght bryng a determinate aunswere.
Linc. Yea M. Ridley, I meane not that your aunsweres now shalbe preiudiciall to your aunsweres to morow. I will take your aunsweres at this tyme, and yet notwithstandyng it shalbe lawfull to you to adde, diminish, alter, and chaunge of these aunsweres to morow what you will.
Rid. In deede, in lyke maner at our last disputatiōs I had many thynges promised and few perfourmed.MarginaliaThe Catholickes promise fayre, but they performe nothing. It was sayd that after disputations I should haue a copie therof, and licence to chaunge myne aunsweres as I should thinke good: it was meete also that I should haue seene what was written by the Notaries at that tyme. So your Lordshyp pretendeth great gentlenes in geuyng me a tyme, but this gentlenes is the same that CHRIST had of the hygh Priestes: for you, as your Lordshyp sayth, haue no power to condemne me, neither at any tyme to put a man to death: MarginaliaThe hie priestes had no powre to put Christ to death, but they had power to commit him to Pilate, neyther would they suffer him to absolue Christ.so in lyke sorte the hygh Priestes sayd that it was not lawfull for them to put any man to death, but committed CHRIST to Pylate, neither would suffer hym to absolue CHRIST, although hee sought all the meanes therefore that hee might. Then spake Doct. Weston, one of the audience.
[Back to Top]MarginaliaD. Weston shooteth his bolt.West. What? do you make the kyng Pilate?
Rid. No Master Doctour, I do but compare your deedes with Cayphas his deedes and the high Priests, which would condemne no man to death, as ye will not, and yet would not suffer Pylate to absolue and deliuer CHRIST.
Linc.. M. Ridley, we mynd not but that you shal enioy the benefite of aunsweryng to morow, and wil take your aunsweres now as now: to morow you shall chaunge, take out, adde, and alter what you will. In the meane season we require you to aunswere directly to euery Article either affirmatiuely or negatiuely.
[Back to Top]Rid. Seyng you appoynt me a tyme to aunswere to morow, and yet wil take myne aunsweres out of hand, first I require the Notaries to take and write my protestation, MarginaliaThe protestation of Doctour Ridley.that in no point I acknowledge your authority, or admit you to be my iudges in that poynt you are authorised frō þe Pope. Therfore whatsoeuer I shal say or do, I protest, I neither, say it neither do it willyngly, therby to admit þe authoritie of þe Pope: & if your Lordshyp will geue me leaue, I will shew the causes which
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