Marginalia1555. October.all the world, and hath not hys foundation in Rome onely,MarginaliaThe vniuersall church hath not his foūdation only in Rome. as you say, & me thought your Lordship brought a place out of the Scriptures to confirme the same, that there was a iurisdiction geuen to Peter, in that CHRIST bad hym regere, gouerne hys people. In deede my Lord, S. Peter dyd well and truly his office, in that he was bid regere: but since the bishops of Rome haue taken a newe kynde of regere.MarginaliaArgument. Christ bad Peter regere, gouerne his people. Ergo, the Pope must play the Rex, to reign ouer Kinges and Emperours. In deede they ought to regere, but how my Lord? not as they wyll them selues: but this regere must bee hedged in and diked in. They must regere, but secundū verbū dei:  

they must rule, but according to the word of God.

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MarginaliaRegere secundum verbum, turned to regere secundum voluntatem.But the bishops of Rome haue turned regere secūdum verbum dei, into regere secundum volutatem suam:  

they haue turned the rule according to the word of God, into þ^e rule according to their own pleasures, and as it pleaseth them best: as there is a booke set forth which hath diuers pointes in it, and amongest other, thys poynt is one, which your Lordship went about to proue by this word regere, and the argument which he bringeth forth for the proofe of that matter, is takē out of Deuteronomie, where it is sayd:MarginaliaDeut. 21. if there ryseth any controuersie among the people, the Priestes Leuitici generis,  

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Latimer, citing Deuteronomy, 17. 9.

Foxe text Latin

Leuitici generis ... secundum legem dei

Foxe text translation

of the order of Leuiticus ... according to the law of God

Actual text of Deuteronomy, 17. 9. (Vulgate)

[veniesque ad sacerdotes] levitici generis

of the order of Leuiticus shall decide the matter secundum legem dei,  

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Latimer, citing Deuteronomy, 17. 9.

Foxe text Latin

Leuitici generis ... secundum legem dei

Foxe text translation

of the order of Leuiticus ... according to the law of God

Actual text of Deuteronomy, 17. 9. (Vulgate)

[veniesque ad sacerdotes] levitici generis

according to the law of God: so it must be taken. This booke perceyuing thys authority to be geuē to the Priestes of the old law, taketh occasion to proue the same to be geuen to the Bishops and other the Clergy of the new law: but in prouing this matter, where as it was sayde there, as the Priests of the order of Leuiticus should determine the matter according to Gods law, that [according to gods law] is left out, and onely is recited: as the Priestes of the order of Leuiticus shall decide the matter, so it ought to be taken of the people: a large autority I ensure you.MarginaliaClipping of Gods scriptures by the Catholickes. What gelding of scripture is this? what clippyng of Gods coyne? With the which termes the audience smyled. Thys is much lyke the regere whych your Lordship talked of. Nay, nay my Lords, we may not geue such authority to the Clergy, to rule al things as they wil. Let them keepe them selues wythin their commission. Now I trust my Lord, I do not rayle yet?

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Linc. No M. Latimer, your talke is more like taūts then rayling: but in that I haue not red the booke which you blame so much, nor know of any such, I can say nothing therein.

Lat. Yes my Lord, the booke is open to bee red, and is intituled to one which is bishop of Glocester, MarginaliaThe author of this booke was Doctour Brookes, which there was in the commission.whom I neuer knew, neyther dyd at any tyme see hym, to my knowledge. With that the people laughed, because the Bishop of Glocester sat there in commission.

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Then the Bishop of Glocester stoode vp, and said it was hys booke.  

Lat. Was it yours my Lord? In deede I knewe not your Lordship, neither euer dyd see you before, neither yet see you now, through the brightnes of the sūne shining betwixt you and me. Then the audience laughed agayne: and M. Latimer spake vnto them saying: Why my masters, this is no laughing matter, I aunswere vpon lyfe and death. Væ vobis qui ridetis nunc, quoniam flebitis.  

 

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The Bishop of Lincolne commaunded silence, and then sayd:

Linc. M. Latimer, if you had kept your selfe wythin your boundes, if you had not vsed such scoffes and tauntes, this had not bene done.

MarginaliaBrookes Bishop of Glocester speaketh.After this the Bishop of Glocester sayd in excusing of hys booke:

Gloc. M. Latimer, hereby euery man may see what learning you haue.

Then M. Latimer interrupted hym saying:

Lat. Lo, you looke for learning at my handes, which haue gone so long to the schole of obliuion,  

making the bare walles my library, keeping me so long in pryson without booke or pen and inke: and now you let

me lose to come and aunswere to articles. MarginaliaThe Catholickes how vnreasonable they are in their vsing of men.You deale with me as though two were appointed to fight for life and death, and ouer night the one through frendes and fauour is cherished, and hath good counsell geuen hym how to encounter with his enemy. The other for enuy or lacke of friendes, all the whole night is set in the stockes. In the morning when they shall meete, the one is in strength and lusty: the other is starke of hys limmes, and almost dead for feeblenes.  

Thinke you that to runne through this man with a speere is not a goodly victory?

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But the Bishop of Glocester interrupting hys aunswere proceeded, saying:

Glo. I went not about to recite any place of scripture in that place of my booke: for then if I had not recited it faythfully, you might haue had iust occasion of reprehension: but I onely in that place formed an argument a maiore, in this sense: that if in the olde lawe the priestes had power to decide matters of controuersies, MarginaliaThe Catholickes alleage the scriptures, but take not all.much more then ought the authority to be geuen to the clergy in the new law: and I pray you in this point what auayleth the rehersall, secundum legem dei?

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Lati. Yes my Lord, very much. For I acknowledge autority to be geuē to the spiritualty to decide matters of religion, and, as my Lord sayd euen now, to regere: but they must do it secundum verbum dei, and not secundum voluntatem suam, according to the word and law of God, and not after their owne will, after their owne imaginations and fantasies.

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The Bishop of Glocester would haue spoken more, sauing  

that the bishop of Lincolne said, that they came not to dispute with M. Latimer, but to take his determinate   aunsweres to their articles, and so begā to propose the same articlesMarginaliaThese Articles read before pag.1926. which were proposed to M. Ridley. But M. Latymet interrupted him, speaking to the Bishop of Glocester: well my Lord, I could wish more faythfull dealing with Gods word, and not to leaue out a part, and snatch a part here & an other there, but to rehearse the whole faythfully.

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But the Bishop of Lincolne not attending to thys saying of M. Latimer, proceeded in rehearsing the articles in forme and sense as I declared before in the examination of the articles proposed to M. Rydley, & required M. Latimers answere to the first. Then M. Latimer making his protestation, MarginaliaThe protestation of Master Latymer.that notwithstāding these his aunswers it should not be taken that thereby he would acknowledge any authority of the Bishop of Rome, saying that he was the King and Queene their Maiesties subiect and not the Popes, neither coulde serue two masters at one tyme, except hee should first renounce one of them: required the Notaries so to take his protestation, that what soeuer he should say or do, it should not be taken as though hee did thereby agree to any authority that came from the Bishop of Rome.

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Lin. The Byshop of Lincolne said, that his protestation should be so taken: but hee requyred him to aunswere briefly affirmatiuely or negatiuely to Marginalia1. Article.the first article, and so recited the same agayne: and M. Latimer aunswered as followeth.

MarginaliaThe body of Christ in the Sacrament receaued by spirite and grace.Lati. I do not deny (my Lord) that in the sacrament by spirite and grace is the very body & bloud of Christ, because that euery man by receiuing bodily that bread and wyne, spiritually receyueth the body and bloud of CHRIST, and is made partaker therby of the merites of CHRISTES passion: but I deny that the body and bloud of CHRIST is in such sort in the Sacrament as you would haue it.

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Linc. Then M. Latymer, you aunswere affirmatiuely.

MarginaliaM. Latymer agaynst the grosse and carnall being of Christ in the Sacrament.Lat. Yea, if you meane of that grosse and carnall being, which you do take.

The Notaries tooke his aunswere to bee affirmatiuely.

Marginalia2. Article.Linc. What say you M. Latimer to the second arti-