MarginaliaAn. 1555. December.the Communion, and none other.

Phil. It was not onely of such as were Nouices in fayth, but all others that did not receiue.

London. What say you to the omnipotency of God? is not he able to performe that which he spake, as my Lord Rych hath very wel said? I tel thee, that God by his omnipotency may make himselfe to be this carpet if he wyl.

Phil. As concerning the omnipotency of God, I say that God is able to do (as the Prophet Dauid saythMarginaliaPsal. 150.) what soeuer he wylleth: but he wylleth nothing that is not agreable to his word: as that is blasphemy whcih my Lord of Lōdon hath spoken, that God may become a Carpet.MarginaliaB. Boners vnreuerent and blasphemous speaking of God. For as I haue learned of auncient writers: Non potest Deus facere quæ sunt naturæ suæ contraria:  

that is, God cannot do that which is contrary to hys nature, as it is contrary to the nature of God to be a Carpet. A Carpet is a creature, and God is the creator: and the creator cannot be the creature: wherfore vnlesse you can declare by the word, that CHRIST is otherwyse present with vs then spiritually and sacramentally by grace, as he hath taught vs, MarginaliaThe omnipotencie pretended in vaine.you pretende the omnipotency of God in vayne.

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London. Why? wyll you not say that CHRIST is really present in the sacrament? Or do you deny it?

MarginaliaChrist in the Sacrament really present to the receauer.Phil. I deny not that CHRIST is really in the Sacrament to the receauer thereof, accordyng to CHRISTES institution.

London. What meane you by really present?

MarginaliaWhat he calleth really.Phil. I meane by really present, present in deede.

London. Is God really present euery where?

Phil. He is so.

London. How proue you that?

Phil. The Prophet Esay sayth: that God filleth all places: and whersoeuer be two or three gathered together in CHRISTES name, there is he in the middest of thē.

London. What? his humanitie?

Phil. No my Lord, I meane the deitie, accordyng to that you demaunded.

Rich. My Lorde of London, MarginaliaB. Boner to weake for Iohn Philpot.I pray you let M. Doctor Chedsey reason with him, and let vs see how he can aunswere him: for I tell thee he is a learned man in dede, and one that I do credite before a great many of you, whose doctrine the Queenes maiesty & the whole realme doth doth well allow, therefore heare him.

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MarginaliaThe Lordes fall to drinking.London. My Lordes I pray you, will it please you to drinke? you haue talked a great whyle, and much talke is thirsty. I wil leaue M. Doctor & him reasoning together a whyle, with your leaue, and will come to you by and by agayne. He went (as I suppose) to make roume for more drinke, after the Lordes had dronke.

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Rich. My Lord Rich said to the Lordes, MarginaliaL. Rich biddeth M. Philpot to drinke.I pray you let the poore man drinke, for hee is thirsty: and with that, he called for a cup of drinke, and gaue it me, & I dranke before them all: God requyte it him, for I was a thirst in deede. Afterwardes D. Chadsey began in this wyse, making a great processe, of the which this is the effect.

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MarginaliaChadsey beginneth to dispute with M. Philpot.Chad. M. Philpot fyndeth fault with the Conuocation house before your Lordships, that hee hath layne thys long in prison, and that he had there a dosen arguments, wherof he could not be suffred to prosecute one throughly, Marginalia4. Vntruthes of Chadsey, at one clappe.which is not so: for hee had *Marginalia* 1. Vntruth. leaue to say what hee could and was aunswered to asmuch as he was able to bring: and when he had *Marginalia* 2. Vntruth. nothing els to say, he fell to weeping.  

I was there present and can testify thereof: albeit there is a booke abroad of the report of the disputation to the contrary, in the which there is *Marginalia* 3. Vntruth. neuer a true word.   And where as you requyre to be satisfyed of the Sacrament, I will shew you the *Marginalia* 4. Vntruth. truth thereof, both by the scriptures, and by the Doctours.

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MarginaliaM. Philpot aunswereth D. Chadsey.Phil. It is a shrewed lykelyhhode that you will conclude w^t any truth, since you haue begun with so manifest vntruthes, as to say that I was aūswered whiles I had any thing to say, & that I wept for lacke of matter to say, and that the booke of the report of the disputation is nothing true. God be praysed, there were a good many of noble men, gentlemen, and worshipfull men that heard and saw the doings thereof, which can testifie that you here haue made an vniust report before these honourable Lordes. And that I wept, was not for lacke of matter, as you sclaūder me: for I thāke

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God, I haue more matter then the best of you all shall euer be able to aunswere, as little learning as I haue: but my weeping was, as CHRISTES was vpon Ierusalem seing the destruction that shoulde fall vppon her: and I foreseing then the destruction which you (through violence & vnrighteousnes, which you there declared) would worke agaynst the true Church of CHRIST and his faythfull members (as this day beareth witnes) was compelled to weepe in remembraunce of that which I with infinite more haue felt and shall feele.

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All these wordes I did not then speake out, being interrupted by my Lord Rich,MarginaliaIohn Philpot interrupted in his answere. saying that I should suffer him to procede out in his matter, and afterwards I should haue leasure to answere him in euery article. But he promised more then he could performe as the ende did well declare: for hee had not the consent of the spiritualty to his promise, which now rule the rost. God shorten their cruell dayes, for his electes sake.MarginaliaPrayse be to the lord for so he hath. And therefore I adde this, which I had purposed to haue spoken if then I might haue bene suffered, lest any that perfectly know not the thinges done in the Cōuocation house & now layd to my charge, if they should not be aunswered by me, might recken D. Chadseys sayinges to be true. And as concerning MarginaliaCōcerning this booke of the Conuocation house, read before pag. 1571.the booke of the report of the disputations, I wrote the same, and it is true in euery argument, as M. Deane of Rochester, and M. Cheyney Archdeacon of Harford (yet being alyue, and within this realme  

) can testify.

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Chad. You haue of scriptures the foure Euangelistes for the probation  

of CHRISTES reall presence to be in the Sacrament after the wordes of consecration, with Saint Paul to þ^e Corinthians: which all say: Hoc est corpus meū: this is my body. They say not as you woulde haue me to beleue, this is not the body. MarginaliaChadsey proueth the Sacrament by the 6. of Iohn.But specially the. vj. of Iohn proueth the same most manifestly, where CHRIST promised to geue his body, which hee performed in his last supper, as it appeareth by these wordes: Panis quem ego dabo, caro mea est, quam ego dabo pro mundi vita:  

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Chadsey, citing St. John, 6. 52.

Foxe text Latin

Panis quem ego dabo, caro mea est, quam ego dabo pro mundi vita.

[NB. Fuller citation than that given above on page 1975, column 2, line 39]

Foxe text translation

The bread which I will geue, is my flesh, which I will geue for the lyfe of the world.

Actual text of St. John, 6. 52. (Vulgate)

et panis quem ego dabo caro mea est pro mundi vita

[Accurate citation]

The bread which I will geue is my flesh, which I will geue for the lyfe of the world.

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Phil. My Lord Rich, with your leaue, I must nedes interrupt him a little, because hee speaketh open blasphemy agaynst the death of CHRIST: for if that promise brought in by S. Iohn was performed by Christ in his last supper, then needed he not to haue dyed after he had geuen the Sacrament.

Rich. Let M. Doctor make an end of his arguments, and afterward obiect to hym what you can.Chad. You must note that there is twise *Marginalia* So is there twise Ego too, and yet but one naturall body. Dabo in this saying of S. Iohn, & the first is referred to the Sacrament of the altar, & the second to the sacrifice vpon the crosse: and besides these manifest Scriptures, there bee many auncient Doctours prouing the same, as Ignatius, Irenæus, & S. Cyprian (whose authorities he recited at large) which I do omitte because I was not permitted to aunswere the same.

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Riche. Now aunswere, and obiect to him what you can, and you shalbe heard.

MarginaliaIohn Philpot answereth with protestation.Phil. My Lord, the chiefest ground where he with the rest of his side do ground them selues against vs, be these wordes: This is my body, with a false pretence of the omnipotency of God. And before I wil come to the particular aunsweres of all that he hath alledged, for that your Lordshyps may the better vnderstand me, what I meane and wherupon I stand, I will require Master Doctour to aūswere me one question. But first of all, I do protest to your honours that I thinke as reuerently of the Sacrament, as a Christian man ought to do: and that I acknowledge the Sacrament of the body and bloud of CHRIST, ministred after CHRISTES institution, to be one of the greatest treasures and comfortes that he left vs on the earth: and contrarywise it is most discomfort & abominable, not beyng ministred as it ought to be, as it is vsed now a dayes. And now to my question, which is this: MarginaliaA question of Iohn Philpot.whether these wordes only: Hoc est corpus meum: This is my body, spoken by Priest ouer the bread and wyne, may make

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