MarginaliaAn. 1556. Ianuary.Feck. Vppon which wordes Fecknam Deane of Paules stode vp, and maruelyng why he sayd so, asked hym if he would be content to stand to þ^e iudgement of the Doctours.

Grene. Grene then sayd that hee was content to stand to their Doctours iudgement.

Feck. I will then propound vnto you (quoth Fecknam) the Doctours and interpretate them your self. So he alledged a place of MarginaliaChrysost. ad popul. Antioch.Chrysostome, ad popul. Antioch. which was this: Marginalia* i. Elias going vp left his cloke behind him, but Christ ascending vp toke his flesh, and also left it behind him.* Elias ascēdens melotem suū post se reliquit: Christus vero ascendēs carnem suā assumpsit, & eandem post se reliquit:  

and he demaūded Grene how he vnderstode the place.

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Grene. Then Grene prayed him that he would cōfer the Doctours sayinges together, and therfore alledged the same DoctourMarginaliaChrysost. in 1. Cor. 10. agayne, writyng vppon the. Marginaliai. Is not the bread which we blesse the communication of the Lordes body.1. Cor. 10. An non est panis quem nos benedicimus, communicatio corporis Domini? Non ne est Calix. &c.  

Wherby he proued that this Doctor called this sacrament but a signe of the Lordes body. Many other wordes of probation and deniall were betwixt them.

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Feck. At last Fecknam demaunded of hym how lōg he had bene of this opinion? For M. Grene (sayd he) you confessed once to me, that when you were at Oxford at schole, MarginaliaM. Grene first a ranke Papist.you were called the ranckest Papist in that house, and beyng compelled to go to the lecture of Peter Martyr, you were conuerted from your old doctrine.

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Grene. And Grene confessed the same.

Feck. Then agayne hee sayd that Grene told hym that the sayd Peter Martyr was a PapistMarginaliaVntrue report of Peter Martyr. at his first commyng to Oxford. Wherupō he made an exclamation, and prayed the people to consider how vayne his doctrine that he professed was, which was grounded vpon one man, and that vpon so vnconstant a man as Peter Martyr, which perceiuyng the wicked intent of the Counsell, was content to please them, and forsake the true and Catholicke fayth.

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Grene. Grene sayd that he grounded not his fayth vpon Martyr nor any other, nor did beleue so because Martyr beleued the same, but because that he had heard the Scriptures and the Doctours of the Church truly and wholesomely expounded by him: neither had he any regard of the man, but of the word which he spake. And further he sayd that he heard the sayd M. Peter say often, that he had not as yet, while he was a Papist, red Chrysostome vppon the. x. to the Corinthes, nor many other places of the Doctours: MarginaliaPeter Martyr first turned from popery to the truth,by prayer and reading the Doctors.but when he had red them and well considered them, he was content to yeld to the Doctours, hauyng first humbled him selfe in prayer, desiryng God to illuminate him, and bryng him to the true vnderstandyng of þ^e Scripture. Which thyng (sayd Grene) if you my Lord would do, I do not doubt but God would open your eyes, and shew you his truth, no more then I do doubt his wordes to bee true, that sayth: Aske, and it shalbe geuen to you, knocke, and it shalbe opened vnto you. &c.

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Feck. Then Fecknam asked him what he thought of this article: Sanctam ecclesiam catholicam?

Grene. And Grene aunswered that he did beleue MarginaliaOne holy Catholicke church.one holy and vniuersall church throughout al þ^e world.

Feck. Then Fecknam sayd that hee would fayne haue a sure marke and token wherby he might know this Church, and therfore he prayed Greene to define vnto him this Church.

Grene. Grene aunswered that MarginaliaTrue markes of the church.his Church dyd agree in veritie of the true doctrine of CHRIST, and was knowen by the true administration of his Sacramentes.

Feck. Whereupon Fecknam sayd that he would proue the Church wherof he was, MarginaliaDisagrement noted amongst professors of the Gospell, by Fecknam.to be neuer agreeyng in doctrine, but alwayes to haue ben in controuersie in their Religion. For (sayd he) Luther and Zwinglius could neuer agree in their writynges or sayings, nor Oecolampadius with Carolostadius, nor Caro-

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lostadius with either Zwinglius or Luther. &c. for Luther, writyng vppon the Sacrament of the aultar, sayd: that in hoc pane vel sub hoc pane corpus domini accipimus:  

and Zwinglius cōtrolling him sayd: that sub signo panis corpus domini accipimus:  

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Zwingli

Foxe text Latin

sub signo panis corpus domini accipimus.

Foxe text translation

Not translated.

Translation (Wade 2003)

under the sign of bread we receive the body of the Lord.

Actual text of Zwingli

and the other controlled him in like case.

Grene. Then M. Grene proued their opinions of the Sacramēt to be one in effect, beyng rightly wayed: MarginaliaThe Gospellers in wordes seeme to dissent, but in effect do agree with the word.and though their wordes dyd not sound all one, yet they meant one thing, and their opinions were all one, as he proued by diuers other examples.

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Feck. Then Fecknam desired him that hee would not so wilfully cast hym selfe away, but to be rather comformable to reason, and that my lord Bishop there present would be good vnto him, and would graūt him respite (if he would demaunde it) for a fortnight or iij. weekes, and that he should choose any learned man whom he would, and should go with him home to his house, and that he whom he would chuse, would willingly take the paynes to read and conferre the Doctours with him, and open the Doctours mindes and meanynges vnto him.

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Boner. Then Boner sayd, that he was proude and an obstinate boy, and therefore he bad Fecknam to hold his peace, MarginaliaBoner forbiddeth M. Grene to be called Master.and to call him no more M. Grene: for (sayd he) you ought not to call an hereticke Master.

Pendleton. After this, Doct. Pendleton alleadged to hym this text out of the. xxij. of Luke: Ex hoc non manducabo illud, donec impleatur in regno Dei.  

Here (sayd he) you must confesse your opinion to bee false, els you must say that CHRIST was a lyer: for CHRIST sayd: I will eat no more of this, whyle it be fulfilled in my fathers kingdom. MarginaliaNote the blind ignorance of Pendletō, as though the kingdome of Christ was not gotten at the death of Christ.If CHRIST did eat no more the bread when he spake these wordes, then must you say that hee was a lyer, for hee did eate bread after wyth his Disciples before hee ascended. But if you say he did eat his body then, and after but bread, it will not agree with the scriptures, nor with good reason.

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Grene. Then Grene aunswered and said, that this was spoken by anticipation, as one of their owne Byshops (which is now dead) did say.

Pendle. Then D. Pendleton said, that this was no sufficient discharge, nor no sufficient aunswere for him in this case: for (sayd he) it is well knowen that that BishopMarginaliaThis Bishop belike was the Bishop of Winchester. was of a contrary opinion to you, and that he dyed a good Christian man.

Grene. To which wordes Grene sayd: I do not cal him to witnes in this case, as though he were a sufficient mā to proue my saying to be true in this matter: but I do alledge him against you, as Paul did the scripture which he found grauen in the aultar of the Atheniens against them selues, ignoto Deo.  

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These with many other words, were betwene thē, which I do ouer passe because it were to long to stand vpon recitall of euery thing. Last of all the Bishop asked him if he would recant. He sayd nay, he would not. But my Lord (sayd he) in old tyme there were no men put to death for their conscience, vntill such time as Bishops found the meanes to make it death to beleue contrary to them: but excommunicationMarginaliaIn the old time excōmunicatiō was the greatest penaltie for matters of fayth and conscience. (my Lord) was the greatest penalty which men had for their conscience: yea in so much that S. Austen wrote, and commaunded that no man should be put to death for his opinion.

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Boner. Then Boner sayd that when S. Austen saw what inconueniences followed of that commaundement, he wrote agayne to the temporall rulers, commaunding them to punish their bodyes also.

Grene. But, sayd Grene, he bad not put them to death.

Boner. He bad punish them, quoth Boner.

Grene. Yea, sayd Grene, but not put them to death.

Bon. That they shold be punished, quoth Boner again. This talke ended, he asked Grene if he would recant & returne to their romish mother. Which whē he denied,