Marginalia1556. March.conscience at all. And now to aunswere an other part of your Oration, wherein you bring in Gods woord, that you haue it on your side & no man els, & that the Pope hath deuised a new scripture cōtrary to the scriptures of God, ye play herein as þ^e Phariseis did which cryed alwayes: * Marginalia* Nay the Phariseis cryed not: verbum domini, but templum domini,  

as the Papistes do now against the Protestantes.Verbū Domini, Verbum Domini:  

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Martin

Foxe text Latin

Verbum Domini, Verbum Domini

Foxe text translation

The word of the Lord, the word of the Lord

The word of the Lord, the word of the Lord, when they ment nothing so. Thys bettereth not your cause, because you say, you haue Gods word for you: for so Basilides and Photinus the heretickes sayd that they had Gods word to maintaine their heresie. So Nestorius, so Macedonius, so Pelagius, and briefly all the Heretickes that euer were, pretended that they had Gods word for them, yea and so the Deuill being the father of heresies alledged Gods word for hym, saying: Scriptū est,  

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Martin, citing St. Matthew, 4. 6.

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Scriptum est ... Mitte te deorsum ... Mitte te deorsum

Foxe text translation

It is written ... Caste thy selfe bacward ... Cast thy selfe downeward

Actual text of St. Matthew, 4. 6. (Vulgate)

et dixit ei si Filius Dei es mitte te deorsum scriptum est enim ...

[While Martin uses the phrases in a different order from that of St. Matthew, this passage is clearly meant.]

It is written: So sayd he to CHRIST, Mitte te deorsum,  

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Martin, citing St. Matthew, 4. 6.

Foxe text Latin

Scriptum est ... Mitte te deorsum ... Mitte te deorsum

Foxe text translation

It is written ... Caste thy selfe bacward ... Cast thy selfe downeward

Actual text of St. Matthew, 4. 6. (Vulgate)

et dixit ei si Filius Dei es mitte te deorsum scriptum est enim ...

[While Martin uses the phrases in a different order from that of St. Matthew, this passage is clearly meant.]

Cast thy selfe backward, which you applied most falsely agaynst þ^e Pope. But if you marke þ^e deuils language well, it agreed w^t your proceedinges most truly. For, Mitte te deorsum,  

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Martin, citing St. Matthew, 4. 6.

Foxe text Latin

Scriptum est ... Mitte te deorsum ... Mitte te deorsum

Foxe text translation

It is written ... Caste thy selfe bacward ... Cast thy selfe downeward

Actual text of St. Matthew, 4. 6. (Vulgate)

et dixit ei si Filius Dei es mitte te deorsum scriptum est enim ...

[While Martin uses the phrases in a different order from that of St. Matthew, this passage is clearly meant.]

Cast thy self downward, said he: and so taught you to cast all thinges downward. Down wyth the Sacrament, downe wyth Masse, downe with aultars,MarginaliaSo did K. Ezechias & Iosias down with monumēts of idolatry, and are cōmended. downe wyth the armes of CHRIST, and vp wyth a Lyon and a Dog, downe wyth Abbeies, downe wyth Chauntreys, downe with Hospitals and Colledges, downe wyth * Marginalia* An other false slaūder of D. Martyn.fasting, and prayer, yea down wyth all that good and godly is. All your proceedinges and preachings tended to no other, but to fulfill the diuels request, Mitte te deorsum. And therefore tell not vs that you haue Gods word. For God hath geuen vs by hys word, a marke to know that your teaching proceeded not of God, but of the deuill, and that your doctrine came not of CHRIST, but of Antichrist. For CHRIST sayd there should come against hys Church, Lupi rapaces. i.  

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Martin, citing St. Matthew, 7. 15.

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Lupi rapaces ... Pseudoapostoli.

Foxe text translation

Rauening Wolues ... False Apostles.

Actual text of St. Matthew, 7. 15. (Vulgate)

adtendite a falsis prophetis qui veniunt ad vos in vestimentis ovium intrinsecus autem sunt lupi rapaces.

[Not a direct quotation, but Martin is clearly thinking of this passage in St. Matthew.]

Rauening Wolues, and Pseudoapostoli. i.  

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Martin, citing St. Matthew, 7. 15.

Foxe text Latin

Lupi rapaces ... Pseudoapostoli.

Foxe text translation

Rauening Wolues ... False Apostles.

Actual text of St. Matthew, 7. 15. (Vulgate)

adtendite a falsis prophetis qui veniunt ad vos in vestimentis ovium intrinsecus autem sunt lupi rapaces.

[Not a direct quotation, but Martin is clearly thinking of this passage in St. Matthew.]

False Apostles. But how should we knowe them? CHRIST teacheth vs saying: Ex fructibus eorū cognoscetis eos. i.   By their fruites ye shall know them. Why, what be their fruites? S. Paul declareth: Post carnē in cōcupiscentia & inmūditia ambulant: potestatē cōtēnunt. &c. i. MarginaliaWhether these be the fruites of the Gospellers, or of the Papisets more, let the conuersation of them both geue iudgemēt.After the flesh they walke in cōcupiscence, & vncleanes: they contemne Potestates. Agayne: In diebus nouissimis erunt periculosa tempora, erunt seipsos amantes, cupidi, elati, immorigeri parentibus, proditores. &c. i. In the latter dayes there shall bee perelous tymes. Then shall there be men louyng them selues, couetous, proud, disobedient to parentes, treasonworkers. Whether these be not the fruites of your Gospell, I referre me to this worshipfull audience: whether the sayd Gospell began not wyth periury, proceeded with adultery, was maintained with heresie, and ended in conspiracy.

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MarginaliaAn other false slaūder of D. Martyn.Now Syr, two pointes more I marked in your raging discourse that you made here: the one agaynst the holy Sacrament: the other agaynst the Popes iurisdiction, and the authority of the Sea Apostolicke.

MarginaliaDoctrine of the Sacrament.Touching the first, ye say you haue Gods word with you, yea and all the Doctors. I woulde here aske but one question of you: whether Gods word be contrary to it selfe, and whether the Doctors teach doctrine contrary to them selues, or no? For you Master Crāmer, haue taught in this hygh Sacramēt of the aultar three cōtrary doctrines, and yet you pretended in euery one, Verbum Domini. MarginaliaSo was S. Austen first a Pagane, then a Manichee, and then a Catholike.

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Cran. Nay, I taught but two contrary doctrines in the same.

Mart. What doctrine taught you when you cōdemned Lambert the Sacramētary in the kynges presence in Whitehall?

Cran. I maintayned then the Papistes doctrine.

Mart. That is to say, the Catholicke and vniuersall doctrine of CHRISTES Church. And how when kyng Henry died? did you not translate Iustus Ionas booke?

Cran. I did so.

Mart. Then there you defended an other doctrine touchyng the Sacrament: by the same token, that you

sent to Lynne your Printer, that where as in the first Print there was an affirmatiue, that is to say, CHRISTES body really in the Sacrament, you sent then to your Printer to put in a not, whereby it came miraculously to passe, that CHRISTES body was cleane conueyed out of the Sacrament.

Cran. I remember there were two Printes of my sayd booke, but where the same not was put in, I can not tell.

Mart. Then from a Lutherane ye became a Zuinglian, which is the vylest heresie of all in the high mistery of the Sacrament, and for the same heresie you did helpe to burne Lambert the Sacramētary, which you now call the Catholicke faith and Gods word.

Cran. I graunt that then I beleued otherwise then I do now: and so I did vntill my Lord of Lōdon Doct. Ridley did cōferre with me,MarginaliaD. Cranmer first wonne to the knowledge of the Sacrament by B. Ridley. & by sondry persuasions and authorities of Doctours draw me quite from my opinion.

Mart. Now Syr, as touchyng the last part of your Oration, you denyed that the Popes holynes was supreme head of the Church of CHRIST.

Cran. I did so.

Mart. Who say you then is supreme head?

Cran. CHRIST.

Mart. MarginaliaSupremacy of the Pope.But whom hath CHRIST left here in earth his vicar and head of his Church?

Cran. No body.

Mart. Ah, why told you not kyng Henry this when you made hym supreme head? and now no body is. This is treason agaynst his owne person, as you then made him.

Cranm. MarginaliaK. Henry was not supreme head but only of hys owne Realme, The Pope wil be vniuersall head ouer all.I meane not but euery kyng in his owne Realme and dominion is supreme head, and so was he supreme head of the Church of CHRIST in England.

Mart. Is this alwayes true? and was it euer so in CHRISTES Church?

Cran. It was so.

Mart. Then what say you by Nero: he was þ^e mightiest prince of the earth after CHRIST was ascended: was he head of CHRISTES Church?

Cran. Nero was Peters head.

Mart. I aske whether Nero was head of the church or no? if he were not, it is false that you said before, that all Princes be and euer were heades of the Church within their Realmes.

Cranmer. Nay it is true, for Nero was head of the church, that is, in worldly respect of the tēporall bodies of men, of whom the Church consisteth: for so hee beheaded Peter & the Apostles. And þ^e Turke too is head of the Church in Turky.

Mart. Then hee that beheaded the heades of the Church and crucified þ^e Apostles, was head of CHRISTES Church, and he that was neuer member of the Church, is head of the Church, by your new found vnderstandyng of Gods word.

¶ It is not to be supposed contrary, but much other matter passed in this communication betwene them, especially on the Archbyshops behalfe. Whose aunswers I do not thinke to be so sclender, nor altogether in the same forme of wordes framed, if the truth, as it was, might be knowen:  

MarginaliaThe answere of the Archbishop not sincerely reported.but so it pleased the Notary thereof beyng to much particially addicted to his mother sea of Rome in fauour of his faction, to diminish & driue down þ^e other side, either in not shewing all, or in reporting the thing otherwise then it was: as the cōmon guyse is of most writers, to what side their affection most weyeth, their Oration commonly inclineth. But let vs proceede farther in the story of this matter.

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It followed then (sayth thys reporter) when the Archb. thus had aunswered & the standers by began to murmur agaynst hym, the Iudges not contented with his aunsweres, willed him to aunswere directly to the Interrogatories: which Interrogatories articulated