MarginaliaAn. 1556. Iuly.inuey agaynst Annas and Cayphas beyng dead.
Ieffrey. Sayest thou so? I will make the recant it, and wring peccaui out of your lying lyps, ere I haue done with thee.
Palmer. But I know, that although of my selfe I be hable to do nothyng, yet if you and all myne enemyes both bodyly and ghostly, should do your worst, ye shall not be hable to bryng that to passe, neither shall ye preuaile agaynst Gods mightie spirite, by whō we vnderstand the truth, and speake it boldly.
[Back to Top]Ieffrey. Ah, ye are full of the spirite: are ye inspired with the holy ghost?
Palmer. Syr, no man can beleue, but by the inspiration of the holy ghost. Therfore if I were not a spirituall man, and inspired with Gods holy spirite, I were not a true Christian. Qui spiritū Christi non habet, hic non est eius. i.
Qui spiritum Christi non habet, hic non est eius. He that hath not the spirite of Christ, is none of his.
Ieffrey. I perceiue ye lacke no wordes.
Pal. MarginaliaThe holy Ghost shall teach you in that houre what ye shall aunswere. Luke. 12.Christ hath promised not onely to giue vs store of wordes necessary, but with thē such force of matter, as the gates of hell, shall not be hable to confound.
Ieffrey. CHRIST made such a promise to his Apostles. I trow ye will not compare with them.
Palmer. With þe holy Apostles I wil not cōpare, neither haue I any affiāce in mine own wit or learning, which I know is but small: yet this promise, I am certaine, pertaineth to all such as are appointed to defend Gods truth agaynst his enemies, in the tyme of their persecution for the same.
Ieffrey. Then it pertaineth not to thee.
Palmer. MarginaliaA maruell to the Papistes, that young mē should haue the gift of the holy Ghost.
Yes I am right well assured, that through his grace, it pertaineth at this present to me, as it shall I doubt not appeare, if ye geue me leaue to dispute with you before this audience, in the defence of all that I haue there written.
Ieffrey. Thou art be a beardles boy, start vp yesterday out of the scholes, and darest thou presume to offer disputations, or to encounter with a Doctour?
Palmer. Remember M. Doctour: Spiritus vbi vult spirat. Ex ore infantiū. Et abscondisti hæc sapientibus. i.
Spiritus vbi vult spirat. … Ex ore infantium. &c … Et abscondisti haec sapientibus. &c. The spirite breatheth where it pleaseth hym … Out of the mouth of Infants. &c … And thou hast hydden these things from the wise. &c. Spiritus vbi vult spirat Ex ore infantium. [quia] abscondisti haec a sapientibus [et prudentibus]. [Accurate citations.]
Register. Syr, if ye suffer him thus impudently to trifle with you, he will neuer haue done.
Ieffrey. Well, ye shall vnderstand, MarginaliaNote how these men dare not abyde disputation.that I haue it not in cōmission at this present to dispute with you, neither were it meete we should call agayne into question, such Articles, as are already discussed, and perfectly defined, by our mother the holy Churche, whom we ought to beleue without why, or wherfore, as the Crede telleth vs. But the cause why ye be now called hether, is that ye might be examined vpon such Articles, as are ministred agaynst you, and such matter as is here conteined in your hand writyng, that it may be seene, whether ye will stand to it, or nay. How say ye to this?
[Back to Top]Palmer. MarginaliaThe Church of Rome is but a particular Church.By your holy Church, you meane the Sinagoge of Rome, which is not vniuersall, but a particular Church of shauelynges. MarginaliaThe Church is not to be beleued for her selfe.The Catholicke Churche I beleue, yet not for her owne sake, but because she is holy, that is to say, a Churche that groundeth her belief vpon the word of her spouse CHRIST.
[Back to Top]Ieffrey. Leaue railyng, & aūswere me directly to my question. Will ye stand to your writing, or will ye not?
Palmer. If ye proue any sentēce therin cōprised, not to stand with Gods word, I wil here presently recāt it.
Ieffrey. Thou impudent felow, haue I not told thee, that I came not to dispute wt thee but to examine thee.
Here the Parson of Inglefield, pointing to the pixe, sayd. What seest thou yonder.
Palmer. A Canapy of silke broydred with gold.
Person. Yea, but what is within it.
Palmer. A peece of bread in a cloute.
Person. Thou art as froward an hereticke as euer I talked withall. Here was much spoken of confiteor and other partes of the Masse.
Person. MarginaliaThe Sacrament of the Lordes Supper.Do ye not beleue that they which receaue the holy Sacrament of the aultar, do truly eate CHRISTES naturall body?
Palmer. If the Sacrament of the Lordes Supper be ministred, as CHRIST did ordeine it, the faythfull receauers do in deede spiritually and truly eate and drinke in it, CHRISTES very natural body and bloud.
Person. The faithfull receauers? ye can not blere our eyes with such Sophistrie. Do not all maner receauers, good and bad, faithfull and vnfaithfull, receaue the very naturall body in forme of bread?
Palmer. No Syr. MarginaliaThe wicked receaue not the Lordes body.
Person. How proue ye that?
Palmer. By this place. Qui manducat me, viuet propter me. i.
Qui manducat me, viuet propter me. He that eateth me, shall lyue for me. qui manducat me et ipse vivet propter me. [Accurate citation.]
Person. See the fond felow, whiles he taketh hym selfe to be a Doctour of the lawe, ye shall see me proue him a starke foolish daw. Do ye not read likewise, Quicunq; inuocauerit nomen Domini saluus erit. i.
Quicunque inuocauerit nomen Domini saluus erit. Who soeuer inuocateth the name of the Lord, shalbe saued.
As Palmer was bent to aunswere him at the full, the person interrupted him, crying still, what sayest thou to S. Paul?
Palmer. I say, that S. Paul hath no such wordes.
Person. See, the impudent felow denyeth the playne text. Qui edit & bibit corpus Domini indigne, reus erit Iudicij. i.
Qui edit & bibit corpus Domini indigne, reus erit Iudicii. He that eateth and drinketh the body of the Lord vnworthely, is giltie of iudgement.
Palmer. I besech you lend me your booke.
Person. Not so.
Syr Richard Abridges. I pray you lend hym your booke. So the booke was giuen ouer to him.
Palmer. MarginaliaThe parson confounded with hys own boke.Your own booke hath, Qui manducat hūc panem. &c. i.
Qui manducat hunc panem. &c. He that eateth this bread. qui manducat hunc panem. [Accurate citation.]
Person. But S. Hieromes translation hath Corpus.
Palmer. Not so Master Person, and God by praysed that I haue in the meane season, MarginaliaThe parsons mouth stopt.shut vp your lyppes with your owne booke.
Ieffrey. It skilleth no matter, whether ye write bread or body, for we be able to proue that he ment the body. And whereas you say, they eate it spiritually, that is but a blynd shift of descant.
Palmer. What should I say els?
Ieffrey. MarginaliaPresence in the Sacrament.As holy Churche sayth, really, carnally, substantially.
Palmer. And with as good Scripture, I may say grosly or monstrously.
Ieffrey. Thou speakest wickedly. But tell me: Is Christ present in the Sacrament, or no?
Palmer. He is present.
Ieffrey. How is he present.
Palmer. The Doctours say modo ineffabili. Therfore why do ye aske me. Would God ye had a mynde ready to beleue it, or I a toung able to expresse it.
Ieffrey. MarginaliaBaptisme of Infātes.What say you, to the Baptisme of Infātes.
Pal. I say that it standeth with Gods word, & therfore it ought of necessitie to be retayned in þe Church.
Ieffrey. Ye haue forgotten your selfe Iwis, for ye write that children may be saued without it. MarginaliaChildren dying before they come to Baptisme, are saued. Of thys it followeth not, ergo that children þt are brought ought not to be baptised.
Palmer. So I write, and so I say.
Ieffrey. Then it is not necessarie to be frequented and continued in the Church.
Palmer. Your Argument is not good Mast. Doctour.
Ieffrey. Will ye stand to it?
Palmer. Yea Master Doctour, God willyng.
Ieffrey. Note it register.
More of his examination in that tyme and place is not yet come to our handes. When soeuer God sen-