MarginaliaAn. 1556.neither of mans lawes, neither at such time as men require it, but at such tyme as God geueth it.

MarginaliaThe examination and answeres of Ioh. Newmā: Which is to be referred to the pag. 1864.FIrst, one of the Doctours, or one of the Bench, either the Archdeacon, or Fauced, or some other, whose name Iohn Newman doth not expresse, begynneth askyng in this wise.

Doctor. How say ye to this? This is my body, whiche is giuen for you.

Newman. It is a figuratiue speech, one thyng spoken, & an other ment, as Christ saith: I am a vine, I am a dore, I am a stone, &c. Is he therfore a material stone, a vine, or a doore?

Doct. This is no figuratiue speech: For he sayth :This is my body which is geuen for you, and so sayth he not of the stone, vyne, or doore: but that is a figuratiue speech.

New. Christ sayth, MarginaliaThis cup is the New Testament, is a figuratiue speech.this cup is the new Testament in my bloud. If ye will haue it so ment, then let them take and eate the cup.

Doct. Nay, that is not so ment, for it is a common phrase of speech among our selues: we say to our frend, drinke a cup of drinke, & yet we ment he should drinke the drinke in the cup.

New. Why if we will haue the one so vnderstand ye must so vnderstand the other.

Doct. Nay, it is a cōmō vse of speech, to say drinke a cup of ale, or beere? And therfore it is no figuratiue speech.

New. MarginaliaWhat is a figuratiue speech.The often vsing of a thing doth not make that thyng otherwise then it is: but where soeuer one thing is spoken, and another ment, it is a figuratiue speech.

Doct. Well, we wil not stand here about. How say ye by the reall presēce? Is not Christes natural body there that was borne of the virgine Mary?

New. No, I do not so beleue, neither can I so beleue: for the soule of mā doth not feede vpon natural thinges, as the body doth.

Doct. Why, how then doth he feede?

New. I thinke the soule of man, doth feede as the aungels in heauen, whose feedyng is onely the pleasure, ioy, felicitie, and delectatiō that they haue of God: and so the soule of man doth feede and eate, through fayth, the body of Christ.

Colens MarginaliaCollens reasoneth with Newman.Yea, but if the body do not feede vpon naturall thinges, the soule can not continue with the body: therefore the body must nedes feede vpon naturall thinges, that both may liue together.

New. I graūt it to be true: but yet the soule doth liue otherwise then the body, which doth perish: therfore naturall things do but feede the body onely. I pray you what did Iudas receiue at the Supper?

Colens. Mary, Iudas did receiue the very body of Christ, but it was to his dampnation. MarginaliaWhether Iudas receaued the body of Christ, or no?

New. Why? was the deuill entred into him before. Then he had both the deuill and Christ in him at one tyme.

Colens. Nay, the deuil did enter into him afterward.

New. Yea, and before to, what do ye thinke? Had he but one deuill. Nay I thinke he had rather a legion of deuills at the latter end.

Colens. Well, put case it be so, what say you to that?

New. Mary, if Christ & the deuill were both in Iudas at once, I pray you how did they two agree together?

Colens. We graunt they were both in Iudas at that tyme: for Christ may be where the deuill is, if he will, but the deuil cannot be where Christ is, except it please Christ.

New. Christ will not be in an vncleane person that hath the deuill.

Thornton. MarginaliaD. Thornton reasoneth with Ioh. Newmā.Why, will ye not beleue þ^t Christ was in hell, and ye will graunt that the deuill is there:and so might he be in Iudas, and if it pleased him.

New. Christ would not suffer Mary Magdalene to touch him, which sought him at his graue, and did loue

him entirely: much lesse he will suffer an vngodly man to receiue him into his vncleane body.

Thornt. Yes, seyng God may do all thinges, he may do what he list, and be where he will: And doth not the Psalme say: he is in hell, and in all places. Why should we then doubt of his beyng there?

New. Though his Godhead be in all places, yet that is not sufficient, to proue that his humanitie is in all places.

Thornt. No, do you not beleue that God is omnipotent, and may do all thinges?

New. I do beleue that God is almightie, and may do all that he will do.

Thornt. Nay, but and if he be omnipotent, he may do all thinges, & there is nothyng vnpossible for him to do. MarginaliaThe omnipotencie of Christ doth not proue hym to be really in the Sacrament.

New. I know God is almightie, and can do all that he wil, but he can not make his sonne a lier, he can not deny him selfe, nor he can not restore virginitie once violated and defiled.

Thornt. What is that to your purpose. God doth not defile virginitie: we speake but of thinges þ^t God doth.

New. Why, will ye haue the humanitie of Christ in all places, as the deitie is?

Thornt. Yea, he is in all places, as the deitie is, if it please him. MarginaliaAbsurditie in þ^e Popes doctrine.

New. I will promise you that seemeth to me a very great heresie: for heauen and earth are not able to conteine the diuine power of God, for it is in all places, as here and in euery place: and yet ye will say, that where so euer the deitie is, there is also the humanitie: and so ye will make him no body, but a fantasticall body, and not a body in deede.

Thornt. Nay, we do not say he is in all places, as the deitie is, but if it please him, he may be in all places, with the deitie.

New. I promise you that it seemeth to me as great an heresie as euer I heard in my life: & I dare not graunt it, lest I should deny Christ to be a very man, and that were agaynst all the Scriptures.

Thornt. Tush, what shall we stand reasonyng with him? I dare say he doth not beleue, that Christ came out of his mother, not opening the matrice. Do you beleue that Christ rose from death and came thorough the stone? MarginaliaThe humanitie of Christ may not be in all places.

New. I do beleue that Christ rose from death: But I do not beleue that he came thorough the stone, neither doth the Scripture so say.

Thornt. Loe, how say you, he doth not beleue that Christ came thorough the stone: And if he doth not beleue this, how shall he beleue the other? If he could beleue this, it were easie for him to beleue the other. MarginaliaNote the grosse ignoraunce of thys Suffragane.

New. The Scripture doth not say he went through the stone, but it sayth the aungels of God, came downe and roled away the stone, and for feare of him, the keepers became euen as dead men.

Thornt. A foole, foole, that was because þ^e womē should see that he was risen agayne from death.

New. Well the Scripture maketh as much for me, as it doth for you and more to.

Thornt. Well, let vs not stand any longer about him. Backe agayne to the reall presence. How say ye, is the body of Christ really in the Sacrament, or no?

New. I haue aunswered you already.

Thornt. Wel, do ye not beleue that he is there really?

New. No, I beleue it not.

Thornt. Well, will ye stand to it?

New. I must nedes stand to it, till I be persuaded by a further truth.

Thornt. Nay, ye will not be persuaded, but stand to your owne opinion.

New.. Nay I stand not to myne owne opinion, God I take to witnes, but onely to the Scriptures of God, and that can all those that stand here witnes with me, and nothyng but the Scriptures: and I take God to witnes, that I do nothyng of presumptiō, but that that