Marginalia1557. Iune.might eate of that which was offred on the altar but the Priest. For in Pauls time all the liuing that the Priest had, the people came and offred it on the altar, money or other thinges: and when the people came to offer it, and then remembred that they had any thing agaynst theyr brother, then they left theyr offering vppon the altar, and went and were reconciled to theyr brother: and they came agayne and offred theyr gifte, and þ^e Priest had it. This is the true vnderstanding of the place that you haue rehersed: wherefore you be deceaued.

Wood. My Lord, that was the vse in the olde lawe. Christ was the end of that. But in deede I perceaue by Paules wordes, the sacrifice was offred in Paules time: yet that maketh not that it was well done, but he rebuked it. Wherfore it semeth to me that you be deceaued.

Chich. Who shalbe Iudges betwixt vs in the matter?

Wood. The 12. of Iohn declareth who shal be Iudge in the last day.

MarginaliaThe Catholickes will not haue the worde to iudge.Chich. You meane the word shall iudge the worde: How can that be?

Wood. S. Peter sayth: the scripture hath no priuate interpretation, but one scripture must be vnderstand by an other.

Chich. And you will vnderstand it one way, and I wil vnderstand it an other way: and who shalbe Iudges betwixt vs then?

MarginaliaWoodmā referreth him selfe to the true Church.Wood The true church of God is able to discusse all doubtes: to whom I referre it.

Chich. I am glad you say so, if you will do so in deede.

Wood. My Lord, I neuer ment otherwise.

Chich. The church of God doth allow the sacrament of the altar.

Wood What doo you offer now vpon the altar?

MarginaliaDoctrine preiudiciall to Christes passion, to say that the Sacrament of the altar doth pacifie the wrath of God.Chich. We offer vp in the blessed sacrament of the altar the body of Christ, to pacifie the wrath of God the father: and therewith they put of theyr caps all to that abominable idole.

Wood. Saint Paul saith to the Hebrues, in the tenth chapter: We are sanctified by the offering of the body of Iesus Christ vppon the Crosse once for all: and euery priest is dayly ministring, and oftentimes offereth one maner of offering which can neuer take away sins: and that is the offering that you vse to offer. As farre as I can see, you be priestes after the order of Aaron, þ^t offered vp sacrifice for theyr owne sinnes, & the sinnes of the people.

Chich. Nay, Aarons sacrifice was with bloud, which signifieth the death of Christ, the which was ended vppon the crosse by his bloudsheding: MarginaliaThe Catholickes make them selues Priestes, not after the order of Aaron, but of Melchisedech.but we are priestes after the order of Melchisedech, þ^e which offered bread to the King in remembrance, and signified the geuing of Christes body in bread & wine at his last supper, the which he gaue to his disciples, and commaunded it to be vsed to the end of the world. This is þ^e sacrifice that we offer, according to his word.

Wood. Me thinke you haue made the matter very playne to me, that as Christ was the end of all sacrifices, so was he the beginning of the sacramentes, willing them to be vsed in the remembrance of him to the worldes ende.

Chich. What? in remembraunce of him, and not him selfe, as his word sayth, take, eate, this is my body? MarginaliaThe Catholickes make þ^e sacrament both a signe signifying, and the thyng it selfe signified.It is not the signe onely, but the thing it self. How say you? is it not his body after the wordes be spoken by the priest? How say you? go briefely to worke, for I can not long tary with you.

Wood. My Lord, if you will aunswere me to one sacrament, I will aunswere you to an other.

Chich. Yes, I am very well contented with that.

MarginaliaWhether þ^e wordes only make þ^e sacramēt of baptisme, w^tout the child there to be baptised?Wood. If you say the wordes of baptisme ouer the water, & there be no child there, is there true baptisme?

Chich. No, there must be the water, the word, and the childe, and then it is baptisme.

Wood. Very well. Then if a childe be baptised in the name of the father, and of the sonne, it is not truely

Baptised?

Chich. No, the childe must be baptised in the name of the father, and the sonne, and of the holy ghost, or els it is not truly baptised.

Wood. Then there may be nothing added, nor taken away from the sacramentes: may there?

Chichest. No, sayd the Bishop.

Wood. Now my Lord, I will aunswere to you, if it please you.

Chich. Well, how say you: take, eate, this is my body: is it not Christes body, as soone as the wordes be sayd?

Wood. My Lord, I will aunswere you by your owne wordes, that you aunswered me, which is true: MarginaliaThe worde, water, and childe, make baptisme: So the word, bread, and the receauer, make the Sacramēt of the Lordes body.the water, the word, & the childe, all these together make baptisme: the bread, wine, and the worde make the Sacrament: and the eater eating in true fayth, maketh it hys body. Here I proue it is not Christes bodye, but to the faythfull receauer. For he sayd: Take, eate, this is my body. He called it not his body before eating, but after eating. And S. Austen sayth: Crede et manducasti.  

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Richard Woodman, citing St. Augustine

Foxe text Latin

Crede et manducasti.

Foxe text translation

Beleue, and thou has eaten.

Actual text of St. Augustine, In Ioan. Evang. cap. 6. tract. xxv. 12. P.L. vol. 035, Col. 1602

Utquid paras dentes et ventrem? crede, et manducasti.

Priest. Then MarginaliaThe fayth of the receauer maketh it the body.the fayth of the receauer maketh it his body, & not his word, by your saying. I pray you what did Iudas eate?

Wood. Iudas did eate þ^e sacrament of Christ, & the deuill with all.

Priest. He eate the body of Christ vnworthely, as S. Paul sayth.

Wood. Nay, S. Paul sayth no such thing. He speaketh not of eating of his body vnworthely, but of the sacramēt vnworthely. For he saith: whosoeuer eateth of this bread, and drinketh of this cuppe vnworthely, eateth and drinketh his owne dānation, because he maketh no difference of the Lordes body, and not because he eateth the Lordes body. MarginaliaIf Iudas did eate the body of Christ, then must he be saued.If Iudas had eate Christs body, it must nedes follow that Iudas is saued. For Christ sayth in the vj. of Iohn: who so euer eateth my flesh, and drinketh my bloud, hath eternall life, & I wil raise him vp againe at the last day.

Priest. My Lord, this man is a interpreter after his owne minde.

Chich. I see it is but folly to talke with you: it is but lost labour. How say you? Doo you not beleue that after the wordes bee sayd, MarginaliaWhether bread remaine in the Sacrament.there remayneth neither bread nor wyne, but the very body of Christ really? make me a playne answere, for I will talke no more with you.

Wood. I will make you a direct aunswere, how I beleue of the of the true Sacrament. MarginaliaThe true confession of Richard Woodman touching the Sacrament.I do beleue, that if I come to receiue the Sacrament of the body and bloud of Christ, truly ministred, beleuyng that Christ was borne for me, and that he suffered death for me, and that I shalbe saued from my sinnes by his bloudsheding, and so receiuyng the Sacrament in that remembraunce, then I beleue I do receiue wholy Christ, God and mā, mistically by fayth: this is my beliefe.

Chiches. Why? thē it is no body without fayth. Gods word is of no force, as you counte it.

Wood. My Lord, I haue told you my minde without dissimulation, and more you get not of me, without you will talke with me by the Scriptures: and if you will do so, I will begyn a new with you, and proue it more playnly three or foure maner of wayes, that you shall not say nay to that I haue sayd, your selfe.

Then they made a great laughyng, and sayd this is an hereticke in deede: it is time he were burned. Which wordes moued my spirite, and I sayd to them: iudge not least you be iudged. For as you iudge me, you shall be iudged your selues. For that you call heresie, I serue God truly with, as you all shall well know when you shall be in hell, and haue bloud to drinke, and shalbe cōpelled to say for payne: MarginaliaSap. v.this was the man that we iested