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K. Henry. 4. Examination of maister W. Thorpe.

law, or Christ tooke mankinde, no likenes of any person of the Trinity was shewed to men: wherefore sir, ye said it was not then lefull to haue images, but nowe ye saye since Christ is becomen man, it is lefull to make and to haue an image of the Trinitie, and also of other saints. MarginaliaNote this ye worshippers and maintayners of Images.But sir, this thing woulde I learne of you: since the father of heauen, yea and euery person of the trinity, was without beginning God almighty, and many holy prophetes that were deadly men, were martired violentlye in the old law, and also many men and women then died Confessors: Why was it not then as leful and necessarye, as nowe to haue made an image of the father of heauē, and to haue made and had other images of martirs, prophetes, and holy confessors, to haue bene kalenders to aduise men and moue them to deuotion, as ye say that images now do?

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And the archbishop sayde: The sinagoge of Iewes had not authority to approue these things, MarginaliaThe Synagoge of Antichrist wil haue autority.as the church of Christ hath now.

And I sayde: Sir, S. Gregorye was a great man in the new law, and of great dignitie, and as the common law witnesseth, he commended greatly a bishop, in that he forbad vtterlye the images made with mans hande, should be worshipped.

And the archbishop said: Vngracious losell, thou sauorest no more truth than an hound. Since at the roode at the north doore at London, at our Lady at Walsingam, and many other dliuers places in England, are manye great and praisabe miracles done: MarginaliaGreat miracles done by images, but my lord doth not tell by whose power.shoulde not the images of such holy saintes and places, at the reuerence of God and our lady and other saints, be more worshipped then other places and images, where no suche miracles are done?

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And I said: Sir, there is no such vertue in any imagery, that any images should herefore be woorshipped. MarginaliaMiracles importing worship to be done to Images may welbe suspected not to com of God.Wherfore, I am certaine that there is no miracle done of God in any place in earth, because that anye ymages made with mans hand should be worshipped. And herefore sir, as I preached openly at Shrewsbury and other places, I say now here before you: MarginaliaA christian man ought not to vow seeke nor knele, nor bowe, nor pray nor offer, not kisse an Image.That no body should trust that there were any vertue in imagery made with mans hand, and therefore no body should vow to them, nor seeke them, nor kneele to them, nor bow to them, nor pray to them, nor offer any thing to them, nor kis them, nor ensence them. For lo, the most worthy of such images, the brasen Serpent (by Moses made, at Gods bydding) the good king Ezechie destroyed worthely & thankfully, and all because it was ensensed. Therefore sir, if men take good heede to the writing and to the learnyng of S. Augustine, of S. Gregory, and of S. Iohn Chrisostome, and of other saints and doctors, how they spake & and write of miracles, that shall be done now in the last end of þe world? MarginaliaFor the vnfaithfulnes of men, the deuill may worke miracles.It is to dread, that for the vnfaithfulnes of men and women, the Fiend hath great power, for to worke many of the miracles that now are done in such places. For both men and women delite now, more for to heare and know miracles, then they do to know gods word, or to heare it effectuously. Wherfore, to the great confusion of all them that thus do Christ saith: The generation of adulterers requireth tokens, miracles, and wonders. MarginaliaThe worde of god sufficeth vs to saluation, without miracles.Neuertheles as diuers saintes say, now when the faith of God is published in Christendome, the word of God sufficeth to mans saluation, without such miracles: and thus also the word of God sufficeth to all faithful men and women, without anye suche images. MarginaliaThat whiche is of nature vnknown, cā not be resembled by any visible creature kinowne.But good sir, since the father of heauen that is God in hys Godhead, is the most vnknowen thing that may be, and the most wonderfull spirite, hauing in it no shape or likenes of any members of anye deadlye creature: in what likenes or what image maye God the father bee shewed or paynted?

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And the archbishop said: As holye church hath suffe-red the images of the Trinitie, and all other images to be painted & shewed: it sufficeth to them that are members of holy church. MarginaliaHoly church of your owne buildyng.But since thou art a rotten member, cut away from holye churche: thou fauorest not the ordinaunce thereof. But since the day passeth, leaue we thys matter.

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MarginaliaThe 3. Article.ANd then hee sayde to me: What sayest thou to the third pointe that is certified against thee, preaching opēly in Shrewsbury, that pilgrimage is not lefull. MarginaliaPilgrimage.And ouer this, thou saydest that those men and women that go on pilgrimages to Canterbury, to Beuerley, to Karlington, to Walsingam, and to any suche other places, are accursed and made foolyshe, spending their goodes in waste.

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And I sayd: Sir, by this certification I am accused to you that I should teach, that no pilgrimage is lefull. But I sayd neuer thus. MarginaliaTwomaner of Pilgrimage.For I knowe that there be true pilgrimages and lefull, and full pleasaunt to God: and therfore sir, howsoeuer mine enemies haue certified you of me, I told at Shrewsberi of. 2. maner of pilgrimages

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And the archbishop sayde to mee, whom callest thou true pilgrimes?

MarginaliaThe true pilgrimage is to trauel in heauāly thinges.And I sayde: Sir, with my protestation, I call them true pilgrims traueling towarde the blysse of heauen, which in the state, degree, or order that God calleth thē, do busy them faithfully for to occupy all their wits bodely and ghostly, to know truly, and to keepe faythfully the biddings of God, hating and fleeing all the seuen deadly sinnes, and euery braunch of them: Ruling them vertuously (as it is sayd before) withall their wyts, doing discritely, wilfully, and gladly, all the works of mercy, bodely and ghostlye, after their cunning and power, abling thē to the giftes of the holy ghost, disposing thē to receiue thē in their soules, and to holde therin, the right blessinges of Christ: Busieng them to know and to kepe, the. vij. principall vertues, and so then they shall obtaine here thorow grace, for to vse thankfullye to God, all the conditiōs of charity. And then, they shal be moued with the good spirite of God, for to examine oft and diligently their conscience, that neyther wilfully nor wittinglye they erre in any article of beliefe, hauing continuallye (as frailty will suffer) all their busines, to dreade and to flee the offence of God, and to loue ouer all thing, and to seeke euer to do his pleasant will. MarginaliaEuery good worke is a good steppe to heauen.Of these pilgrimes I sayd, whatsoeuer good thought þt they at any time thinke, what vertuous word that they speake, & what fruitfull worke that they worke: Euery such thought, worde and work is a steppe nūbred of god, toward him into heauē. These foresayd pilgrimes of God, delite sore when they heare of saintes or of vertuous men & women, MarginaliaThe maner and examples of saintes.how they forsoke wilfully þe prosperitie of this life, how they withstoode the suggestion of the fiend, howe they restrayned their fleshly lustes, how discrete thei were in their penāce doing, how paciēt they were in all their aduersities, how prudēt they were in couselyng of men and women, mouyng them to hate all sinne, and to flye them, & to shame euer greatly therof, and to loue all vertues and to draw to them, Imaginyng how Christ and his folowers by exāple of him, suffered skornes and slaunders, and how paciently they abode and tooke the wrongfull manasing of tyrants: How homely they were and seruisable to poore men, to relieue and comfort them bodely and gostly, after theyr power and connyng, and how deuout they wer in prayers, how feruent they were in heauenly desires, & howe they absented them from spectacles of vayne sayinges and hearyngs, and how stable they were to let and to destroy all vices, and how laborious and ioyfull they were, to sow and to plant vertues. These heauēly condicions and such other, haue pilgrimes, or endeuour them for to haue: whose pilgrimage god accepteth. And again I sayd, as their workes shew, the most part of men and women that go now on pilgrimages, haue not these for

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