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K. Henry. 4. Examinations of Maister W. Thorpe. Actes and Mon. of the church.

Iuda no tithes were promised to be geuen. MarginaliaOur priestes be not of the seede of Leuy. Ergo by the law our priestes cannot chalenge tithesAnd therfore Paule sayth, since the priesthode is chaunged fro the generation of Leui to the generation of Iuda: It is necessarie, that chaunging also be made of the law. So that priestes liue now, without tythes and other duetie that they now claime, following Christ and hys Apostles in wilfull pouertie, as they haue geuen them example. MarginaliaAs the priesthoode is chaunged so is the law chaunged.For since Christ liued (all the time of hys preaching) by pure almose of the people: And by exāple of him, hys Apostles liued in þe same wyse, or els by the trauell of their hands, as it is sayd aboue: Euery priest whose priesthode Christ appoueth, knoweth well, and confesseth in word and in werke, that a disciple ought not to be aboue hys master, but it sufficeth to a disciple, to be as hys master, simple, and pure, meke and pacient: And by example speciallye of hys master Christ, euery priest shoulde rule him in all hys liuing, and so after hys cunning and power, a priest shoulde busie him to enforme and to rule, whōsoeuer he might charitablie.

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And the Archbishop sayd to me with a great spirite, Gods curse haue thou and myne for thys teaching:MarginaliaBlesse, but curse not saith S. Paule. for thou wouldest hereby, make the olde law more free and perfect than the new law. For thou sayest, that it is lefull to Leuites and to priestes to take tythes in the old law, and so to enioy their priuiledges: but to vs priests in the new law, thou sayest it is not lawful to take tithes. MarginaliaHe goeth nere you my Lord, whan he toucheth your tithes.And thus thou geuest Leuites of the old law, more freedome than to priestes of the new law.

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And I sayd. Sir I meruell, that ye vnderstand thys plaine text of Paule thus. MarginaliaThe difference of the fredoms betwene thold and new lawesYe wotte well, that þe Leuites and priestes in the olde law that toke tythes, were not so free nor so perfecte, as Christ and his Apostles that toke no tythes. And sir, there is a doctor (I thinke that it is S. Ierome) that sayth thus. The priests that chalenge now in the new law, tythes: Say in effect, that Christ is not becomen man, nor that he hath yet suffred death for mans loue. Wherfore, thys doctor saith this sentence. MarginaliaFor what cause tythes were geuen in the olde law.Since tithes were the hires and wages limitted to Leuites and to priestes of the olde lawe for bearing aboute of the tabernacle, and for slaying and sleing of beastes, and for burning of sacrifice, and for keeping of the temple, and for tromping of battell before the hoste of Israel, and other diuers obseruaunces that pertained to their office: Those priests that wil chalēge or take tythes, denie that Christ is comen in fleshe, and doe the priests office of the old law, for whom tythes were graunted: for els (as this doctor sayth) priestes take now tithes wrongfully.

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And the Archbyshop sayd to hys clarkes. Hard ye euer Losell speake thus? Certaine, this is the learning of them all, that whersoeuer they come, and they may be suffered: they enforce them to expugne the freedome of holy church.

And I sayd. MarginaliaIf you take away tithes, you vndo the church.Sir why call you the taking of tythes, and of such other duties þt priests chalenge now (wrongfully) the fredome of holy church: Since nother Christ nor his Apostles, chalenged nor toke such dueties. Herefore, these takinges of priests now are not called iustly, the fredome of holy church: but all such geuing & taking ought to be called and holdē, the slaunderous couetousnes of men of the holy church.

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And the Archbyshop sayd to me. Why Losell, wilt not thou and other that are confedered with thee, seke out of holy scripture, and of the sentence of doctours, all sharpe authorities agaynst Lordes, Knightes, and squiers, and agaynst other secular men, as þu doest agaynst priestes.

MarginaliaThorpe, preach against whom thou wilt, so thou touch not this scabbe.And I sayd. Sir, whatsoeuer men or women, Lords or ladies, or any other that are present in our preaching specially, or in our cōmuning after our cunning: we tell out to them, their office and their charges: But sir, since Chrisostome sayth, that priestes are the stomake of the people, it is nedefull in preaching, & also in communing, to be most busie about thys priesthode: Since by the viciousnes of priestes, both Lordes and commons are most sinfully infected and led into the worst. MarginaliaThe viciousnes & pride of priestes infecteth al the world.And because that the couetousnes of priestes, and pride, and the boast that they haue and make of their dignitye & power: destroyeth not onlye the vertues of priesthoode in priestes them self, but also ouer this, it stirreth God to take great vengeaunce both vpon Lordes, and vpon commons, which suffer these priestes charitablye.

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MarginaliaA spitefull meekenes that is in skarlet gownes.And the Archbyshop sayd to me. Thou iudgest euery priest proud, that will not go arayed as thou doest. By God, I deme him to bee more meeke þt goeth euery day in a scarlet gowne, that thou in thy threade bare blewe gowne. Wherby knowest thou a proud man?

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MarginaliaThe signes and markes of proud Priestes.And I said. Sir a proud priest may be known, when he denyeth to folow Christ and hys Apostles, in wilfull pouertie and other vertues: and coueteth worldly worship, and taketh it gladly, and gathereth together wyth pleting, manasing, or with flattering, or with simonie any worldlye goodes: And most, if a priest busie hym not chieflye in hymselfe, and after in all other men and women after hys cunning and power, to withstand sinne.

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And the Archbyshop said to me. Though thou knewest a priest to haue all these vices, & though thou sawest a priest louely lie now by a womā, knowing her fleshly: MarginaliaPaule sayth God shall iudge al fornicators, what say you my Lord.wouldest thou therfore deeme thys priest damnable? I say to thee, that in the turning about of thy hand, such a sinner may be verely repented.

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And I sayd. Sir I wil not dampne any man for any sinne that I knowe done or may be done, so that the sinner leaueth hys sinne. MarginaliaPriestes ought to be examples of good liuyng.But by authoritie of holy scripture, he þt sinneth thus openly as ye shew here, is dampnable for doing of such a sinne: and moste specially, a priest that should be example to all other for to hate and flye sinne. And in how shorte time that euer ye saye that such a sinner may be repented: he oweth not of hym that knoweth hys sinning, to be iudged verely repentaunt, without open euidence of great shame and harty sorow for hys sinne. For whosoeuer (and specially a priest) that vseth pryde, enuie, couetousnes, lecherie, simonie, or any other vices: sheweth not as open euidence of repentaunce, as he hath geuen euill example and occasion of sinning, if he continue in any such sinne as longe as he maye: it is likely, that sinne leaueth him, & he not sinne. And as I vnderstand, such a one sinneth vnto death, for whom no body oweth to pray, as S. Iohn sayth.

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And a clarke sayd than to the Archbishop. Sir, the lenger that ye appose hym, the worse he is: and the more that ye busie you to amend him, the waywarder he is. MarginaliaClarkly spokē and like a Parasite.For he is of so shrew a kinde, þt he shameth not onely to be himselfe a foule neste, but without shame he busieth hym to make hys neste fouler.

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And the Archbishop said to his clarke. Suffer a while, for I am at an end with hym, for there is an other point certified agaynst hym, MarginaliaForget nothing I pray you my Lord.and I will heare what he sayth thereto.

And so than he sayd to me. Loe, it is here certified against thee, that thou preachedst openly at Shrewsbury, that it is not lawfull to sweare in any case.

And I sayd. Sir I preached neuer so openlye, nor I haue taughte in thys wise in anye place. But sir, as I preached in Shrewsbury, with my protestatiō I saye to you now here: that by the authoritie of the Gospell of S. Iames, and by witnes of diuers sainctes and doctors: MarginaliaNot lawful to sweare by any creature.I haue preached openly in one place or other, that it is not lefull in any cause, to sweare by any creature. And ouer thys sir, I haue also preached and taught by the forsayd authorities: MarginaliaMen ought not to swere whē without an oth he may excuse him selfe that is cōpelled to sweare.that no bodye shoulde sweare in any case, if that without othe in any wise, he þt is charged to swear, might excuse hym, to them that haue power to compell hym to sweare, in leful thing and lawfull. But if a man may not excuse him without oth, to thē that haue power to compell hym to sweare, than he ought to sweare only

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