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K. Henry. 6. A briefe aunswere to Copes cauillations.

let this Nomothetes, or Iolye Dictator come foorth and prescribe vs a lawe, what autours he woulde haue vs to take, and what to refuse. For ells why is it not as free for me to credit Iohn Bale, and Leland, as for him to credit Rob. Fabian, and Edw. Halle, especially seing they had sene hys bookes and workes left behinde him, whereupon they might better iudge, and so did neuer these?

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Marginalia3.
To the third obiection.
Thirdly, for the name of Roger Onley, if Cope deny that ther was any such name in stories mencioned, but that there was one called Roger Bolyngbroke. &c. hereby it may appeare that eyther his prompter out of England deceiued him, or els, that he goyng no farther but to Fabian and Halle, lacketh no good wyll in hym, but onely a litle matter to make a perfect Sycoph. And admit the sayd name of Onley could not be found in those writers, yet it were not vnpossible for a man to haue ij. names, especially if he were a religious mā, to beare the name of the towne where he was borne, beside hys owne proper surname. but now what if I (M. Cope) can auouch and bring forth to you the name of Roger Onley out of sufficient recorde, which you seeme not to haue yet read? Haue ye not then done well and properly (thinke you) so bitterly to flee in my face, and to barcke so egerly all thys whyle at Mooneshine in the water, hauing no more cause almost agaynst me, then agaynst the man in the Moone? And now least you should thinke me so much vnprouided of iust autority for my defence, as I see you vnprouided of modesty and pacience, write you to your prompter or suborner (whersoeuer he lurketh here in England) to sende you ouer vnto Louane the booke of Iohn Harding a Chronicler, more auncient thē eyther Fabian or Halle, printed in the house of Rich. Grafton, an. 1543. where turne to the fol. 223. fao. b. lin. 19. and there shall you finde and reade these wordes.

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Agayne the Church and the king cursedly,
By helpe of one maister Roger Onley. &c.

By the which wordes ye must necessarely confesse Roger Onley to be the name of the man, eyther els must ye nedes deny þe autour. For otherwise that maister Roger Bolyngbroke was þe onely helper to the Duchesse in that fact, by no wyse it can stand with the storye of these autours, which say: MarginaliaVid. Centu. 8. l. Bal. ca. 4.that. 4. other besides him were cōdemned for the same crime. &c. And moreouer, though the sayd syr Roger Onley was no knight (as I haue sayd in my former edition) yet this ye cannot deny, by the testimony of them that haue sene hys woorkes, but that hee was a priest, which you will graunt to be a knights fellow. And thus much for the name and condition of Maister Roger Onley.

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Marginalia4.
To the fourth obiection.
Fourthly, as concerning Margaret Iordeman, whom ye call the witch of Eye, ye offer me herein great wrong, to say that I make her a martyr, which was a wytche: when as I here professe, confesse, and ascertaine both you and all English men, both present and all posteritie hereafter to come, that this Margarete Iourdeman I neuer spake of, neuer thought of, neuer dreamed of, nor did euer heare of, before you named her in your booke your selfe. So farre is it of, that I either with my will, or agaynst my will, made any Martyr of her.

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Furthermore, I professe and denounce in lyke maner, that neither haue you any iust or congrue occasion in my booke, so to iudge, much lesse to rayle of me. MarginaliaM. Cope rayleth without a cause.For where, in expresse woordes I do speake of the mother of the Lady Yong, what occasiō haue you therby to slaunder me and my boke with Margarete Iourdeman? which Margaret, whether she was a witche or not, I leaue her to þe Lord. As for me, neither did I know of her thē, nor did I meane of her now. But because I couple her in þe same story, you say. To this I say, because she was the mother of a Lady, I thought to ioyne her with an other Lady in the same story as in one pue together, althoughin one cause I will not say. And yet notwithstandyng I do so couple the sayd mother, with the Duches, in such distinct difference of yeares, that you M. Cope, might easelye haue vnderstande, or beside you no man elles would haue thought the contrary, but that Margarete Iourdeman, was neither here in my boke, nor yet in my memento. For the wordes of my story are plaine, where as the cōdemnation of the Lady Eleanor, and of the mother of Lady Yong, beyng referred to the yeare of our Lord. 1441. I do also in the same story (through the occasion of that Lady) inferre mention of the mother of þe Lady Yong, declaryng in expresse woordes, that she folowed certein yeares after, and in the end of that Chapter, do name also the yeare of her burnyng to be. 1490. MarginaliaSee the former editiō pag 371.which was. 50. yeares after the death of Onley, & Margarete Iourdeman: by the computation of which yeares it is plaine, that no other woman could be noted in that place, but onely the Lady Younges mother.

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But M. Cope cōtinuyng still in his wranglyng mode, obiecteth agayne, for that in my Calender, the sayd Lady Younges mother hath the next day in the Catalogue next after the death of Roger Onley, whiche day perteyneth properly to Margarete Iourdeman, whiche was burned the same day in Smithfield, and not to the Ladyes mother. &c.

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What order was takē in placyng the names & dayes, what is that to me? If he which had the disposing of the Catalogue, did place them so in monethes, as he sawe them ioined in chapters, not perusing peraduenture nor aduising the Chapters, that doth nothyng preiudice the truth of my story, whiche sufficiently doth cleare it selfe in distincting them rightly in names and also in yeares, as is afore declared.

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Marginalia5.
To the fifth obiection.
Fiftly and lastly, hauyng thus sufficiently aunswered to your circumstances of persons, names, & tymes (M. Cope) MarginaliaThe story of the Lady Eleanour and Rog. Oneley here pretermitted.I will now enter to encounter with you concernyng the facte & crime obiected to the Lady Duches, and to the reste: with this protestation before premised vnto the reader, that if the facte be true and so done as is reported in þe historyes of Fabian, Halle, and Hardyng, I desire the reader thē so to take me, as though I do not here deale withall, nor speake of the matter, but vtterly to haue pretermitted, and dispuncted the same. MarginaliaA questiō whether Eleanor the Duches was culpable in treason agaynst the kyng.But for somuch as the dede and offence layd and geuen forth agaynst these parties, may be a matter made, and of euil will compacted, rather then true in dede: therfore I doo but onely moue a question by way of historie, not as defendyng, nor commendyng, nor commemoratyng the thyng, if it be true, but onely mouing the question, whether it is to be iudged true, or suspected rather to be false & forced, and so hauyng briefly, propoūded certeine coniecturall suspicions or supposals concernyng that matter, to passe it ouer, neither medling on the one syde nor on the other.

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MarginaliaCertaine coniectures of the crime not to be true.
1.
Coniecture.
The first coniecture, why it may be possible that this act of treason layd to the charge of the Duches, & Roger Onley, agaynst the king, may be vntrue, is this: that the said Onley (otherwise named Bolyngbroke) toke it vpon his death, that they neuer intended any such thyng as they were condemned for.

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Marginalia2.
Coniecture.
The second coniecture: for that the Lady Eleanor, & Onley semed then to fauour and sauour of that religiō, set forth by VVickleffe, and therefore lyke enough, that they were hated of þe clergy. Furthermore, what hatred and practise of Papistes can do, it is not vnknowen.

Marginalia3.
Coniecture.
The thyrd coniecture: for that the said master Roger Onley falsely noted and accused of Nicromancie, wrote a booke in purgation of hym self, intituled: De Innocentia sua. Also an other booke intituled, Contra vulgi superstitiones, recorded in Centu. 8. Bale, cap. 4. Whereupon it is not credible, that he whiche wrote professedly against the superstitiōs of the people, was ouer taken with that

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