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K. Henry. 8. Doctor Boner against Steuen Gardiner Bishop of Winchester.

conclusion for all that he could doe, that nothing I should haue of him, and this rehearsed he still on end, I am sure aboue a dosen tymes,MarginaliaThe Pilates voyce of Winchester. and that with a Pylates voyce, so þt all hys company standyng more then three or foure payre of butte lengthes of, heard him.

When I saw that he woulde make no end, but euer rehearsing one thing still, I sayd to hym, my Lord, I besech you, seyng I shall haue nothyng of you, but of M. Doctour here, let me geue hym thankes that deserueth it, and not trouble you therein no more, but leauing communication therin, let me desire and pray you, that we may common of the kynges matters. And that I may haue therin knowledge aswell of the state therof, as also of your counsaile in that behalfe. MarginaliaStephen Gardiner more respectiue to hys owne matters, then to the kinges affayres. The Byshop was so hoate and warme in his owne matters, that he would not heare, but nedes woulde returne agayne, and shew why that I coulde haue nothyng of him. My L. (quoth I) here is stil on end one tale, which me thinketh, seyng that I vnderstand it, ye nede not so oft to repete it, especially seyng that it cōmeth alwayes to this conclusion, that I shall haue nothyng of you. MarginaliaYe lie, quoth Winchester. Ye lye (quoth he) I sayd not so. I report me (quoth I) to M. Thirleby here present, whom I shall desire to beare record of your sadde and discrete honest behauiour with me. I say you lye (quoth he). My Lord (quoth I) I thanke you.

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MarginaliaWinchesters old sophistication. I do not say (quoth he) that ye shall haue nothyng of me: but I saye, ye can haue nothyng of me. And though the one here comprehendeth the other, yet there is a great diuersitie betwene these ij. maners of speakynges: I can spare nothyng vnto you, and therfore ye shall haue nothyng and though I can spare you, yet you shall haue nothyng: for in the one is an honesty in the speaker, whiche would if he could doe pleasure, and in the other, there lacketh that honestie.

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My Lord (quoth I) to examine whether I shall haue nothyng, because ye can spare nothyng: or shall haue nothyng, though ye haue plentye, because ye wil I shall haue nothyng, it shall not muche helpe me in my iourney. Wherfore, seyng ye bide vpon this, þt I shal haue nothyng, I wil thanke you for nothing, and prouide otherwise for my selfe. Torde in your teethe (quoth he) & prouide as ye will. MarginaliaBishoplyke spoken. Bishoplike spokē, by my fayth (quoth I) and well it becōmeth you to speak thus to me. Yea mary doth it becōme me (quoth he) & repetyng the words agayne, sayd wt a sharpe accent: MarginaliaThe mellifluous and hony mouthed wordes of Winchester to Boner. haue nothyng of me? torde in your teethe. Well my Lorde (quoth I) this nedeth not, sauyng that ye haue a full stomacke & your wit abroad willyng hereby to ease your stomacke agaynst me. Yes mary quoth hee) it needeth for me, though it nedeth not for you, for I entende (quoth he) I would ye should knowe it, to iustifie my selfe to the kyng in all thynges. If ye so do (quoth I) ye shall do the better. Nay (quoth he) I do it, and wyll do it. Well (quoth I) ye are the more to be commēded, if ye so can do. Yes (quoth he) I can do it.

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Nowe by my trouth (quoth I) seyng the kings hyghnes hath written so tenderly for me vnto you, as appeareth by hys highnes letters that hys grace hath done: me thynketh, ye hauyng so great plenty of all things, and I so great nede therof, commyng poste as I do: ye go about as euill to iustifie your selfe to the kyng, as any one that I haue sene: And iwisse my Lorde (quoth I) I would haue reckoned that, commyng as I do come, I should haue bene both better welcome, and better entreated of you then now I am, euen and it had bene for no other respect, then because I am an Englishman.

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MarginaliaThe stomacke of Step. Gardiner against Boner. I shall tell you (quoth he) for the kinges sake, ye may loke to haue: but for your owne sake ye get nothyng. Well (quoth I) thē hauyng nothyng, I wyll giue no thankes at all, & hauing any thing, I shall geue thanks to the kyng, and none to you. I tell you (quoth he) ye get nothyng. And I tel you again (quoth I) that I wil not thanke you for nothing: and here his flesh of hys cheke began to swell and tremble, MarginaliaThe like trembling & leaping of his vaines & fleshe for anger, did M. Bucer also note in thys Gardiner, disputing with hym in Germany.
Vid. Bucer. De. Cœlibatu.
& he loked vpon me, as he would haue run through me, and I came and stoode euen by hym and sayd: trow you my Lorde (quoth I) that I feare your great lokes? Nay fayth do I not. Ye had nede to get another stomacke to whet vpon, then mine, and a better whetstone then any ye haue. For I assure you, ye shall not whet me to your purpose: and if ye knewe how little I do set by this vnlouyng and indiscrete behauiour of yours, ye would not vse it vpon me. And I shall tell you, (quoth I) if I were not brideled, and had other respects both to the kynges highnes my soueraigne Lord and also to other that may commaund me, I would haue tolde your ere this tyme my mynd after an other sort. Tell me, quoth he? toord in your teeth. Well my lord (quoth I) ye would, I perceiue by you and by your wordes, prouoke me to speake as vndiscretly and Marginalia* Steuen Gardiner Bedlemlike. * bedlemly, as ye do. But surely ye shal not, howsoeuer ye shall speake. But this will I tell you, I shal shew how I am hādled of you. Mary spare not (quoth he.) Well my Lord (quoth I) you haue here full well played the part of a Bishop, and it is great ioy of you, that with thys your furious anger andMarginaliaAll the company ashamed of Gardiners talke. choler, ye can make all the company here about you to be ashamed of you, as I am sure they are. And for my part, if ye your selfe be not ashamed, or comming to your selfe (for now your anger is such that you heare not your selfe) be not displeased, I shall be ashamed & pity this your doyng without wisdome, and the oftener you vse this maner, the more shal it be to your dishonesty.

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Lo (quoth he) how fondly he speaketh, as who sayth, I were all in the blame. Will you not heare (quoth he) thys wise man? My Lord (quoth I) I would you could heare with indifferent eares, and see with indifferent eyes your selfe. MarginaliaBrabling for nothing. Ye haue made a brablyng here for nothing, and woulde that I would geue you thankes for that thyng which maister Thirleby hath done for me. MarginaliaThe spitefull lookes of Winchester. I looke for no thankes of you (quoth he) and sayd withall loking spitefully, that he knew me well enough, and that he was not deceyued in me. Well (quoth I) and me thynke I know you well enough too, wherefore as ye say you are not deceyued in me, so I trust I will not be deceyued by you. But I pray you sir (quoth I) because ye say ye know me well enough, and that ye be not deceyued in me, how doeyou know me? for honest and true, or otherwise? If you do, say it, and I shall make aunswer.

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I could not driue hym to aunswer hereunto, so that I suppose, either of his own naughty nature he hath made me an image after hys owne fantasie, or els beleued the report of such in conditions, as he is hymselfe, MarginaliaStephen Gardiner for malice and disdaine and pride, compared by Boner to the deuill of hell. who in malice, I suppose, and disdaine may be compared to to the deuill in hell, not geuyng place to hym in pride at all. In communication he repeted oft the prouisiō of the thousand crownes. I told him they went in my diets, and that it would be a good whyle, afore they were come out: and further I said, that seyng they had ben simpliciter geuen to me, I would neuer thāke hym for them, but the kinges highnes: and I sayd, that if they were xx. thousand, he should breake so many slepes afore he should haue any part therof, intreating me as he did. Well (quoth he) you haue them. That is trouth (quoth I) and nothing thankfull to you.

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Why then (quoth he) seing you haue here diuers things of M. Thirlbies, and all other thinges are parabilia pecunia, which you haue, ye may make therby good prouision for your selfe. That is trouth (quoth I) and that can I & will do, though ye tell me not, seing I haue nothing of you, and afore this, had prouided at Lions for all thinges necessary, MarginaliaWinchester putteth Boner to hys shiftes for prouision. if ye without necessitie had not made that great haste to depart thence, enforcing me therby to follow you. And yet (quoth I) one thing may I tell you: ye are very desirous I should be prouided wel for, as appeareth in that you haue taken away at Lyons one horse that Fraunces had prouided for me, and also your seruaunt Mace hauing a horse to sell and knowing my nede, by your consent hath sold his hors to a straunger, rather then he would sell hym to me, so that nothing suffering me to haue of you, and taking away that prouision which I make and go about to make, you wel declare how hartily you desire I should be prouided for. MarginaliaThe churlish dealing of Winchester. In faith (quoth he) chose you, ye may prouide and you will, and seeing your iourney hether from Lions is vayne, you may thether returne agayne and make there prouision for your selfe. I thought (quoth he) departing from Lions, to haue made easie iourneys, and to haue followed the court till you had come, and now come you squirting in post, and trouble all. I came forth in post (quoth I) by the commaundement of the king my maister, and had liberty to returne at plesure by hys graces letters, and seing that I had no horses for the iourney, me thought better to ryde in post then go a foote. Well (quoth he) I wyll not departe hence this xij. month, except ye be otherwise prouided. Prouided (quoth I?) I must tary till I may be prouided for horses, if ye speake of that prouision: and seyng that this riding in post greueth you, it causeth me to thinke you are lothe to depart, MarginaliaWinchester angry that Boner should succeede hym. and angry that I shal succede you. I haue here already ij. gownes, & a veluet iacket, so that you shall not be letted an houre by me.

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I tell you (quoth he) ye shall otherwise prouide, or els I wyll not departe, For I tell you (quoth he) though ye care not for the kinges honour but wretchedly doe lyue with ten shillinges a day, as ye did in yonder partes, you and your companion, I must and will consider the kynges honor. And I tel you againe (quoth I) I will and do consider the kinges honour, as much as ye at any tyme wyll do, and as sory will be that it should be touched by any negligence or default in me: yea and I say more to you (quoth I) though ye may spend farre aboue me, I shall not sticke if any thing be to be spent for the kinges honour, to spende as liberallie as you, so long as either I haue it, or can get it to spend. And whosoeuer enformed you of the wretchednes & spending scarcely of my companion and me in the partes

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