MarginaliaAn. 1555. Iune.Haukes. Paul maketh a distinction betwene Prophecying & tounges, saying, Marginalia1. Cor. 14.That if any man speake with toūges, let it be by two or three at the most, and let an other interprete it. But if there be no interpreter, let them keepe silence in the congregation, and let him selfe pray vnto God: and then let the Prophetes speake two or three, and that by course, and let the other iudge: and if any reuelation bee made to him that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace: so that it seemeth that Paule maketh a distinction betwene toungs and Prophecying.
[Back to Top]MarginaliaLatin seruice.Boner. The order was taken in the Catholicke Churche that the Latin toūg should serue through the whole world, because that they shoulde pray all generally together in one toung, and that to auoyde all contention and strife, and to haue one vniuersall order through the whole world.
Haukes. This did your Councels of Rome conclude.
Boner. Vnderstand ye what the generall Councels of Rome ment?
Haukes. In deede all your MarginaliaThe generall Counsels of Rome.generall Councels of Rome be in Latin, and I am an English man: therfore I haue nothyng to do with them.
Chad. Ye are to blame, beyng an vnlearned man to reproue all the Councels throughout all the whole world.
Haukes. I reproue them not, but Paule rebuketh them, saying: If any mā preach any other doctrine thē that which I haue taught, do you hold him accursed.
Chad. Hath any mā preached any other doctrine vnto you?
MarginaliaOther doctrine taught in the Church of Rome then euer Paule taught.Haukes. Yea, I haue bene taught an other Gospell since I came into this house.
Chad. What Gospell haue ye bene taught?
Haukes. Praying to Saintes, and to our Lady, and trust in the Masse, holy bread and holy water, and in Idols.
Chad. He that teacheth you so, teacheth not amisse.
Haukes. Cursed be he that teacheth me so: for I will not trust him nor beleue him.
Boner. You speake of MarginaliaIdoles.Idols, and ye knowe not what they meane.
Haukes. God hath taught vs what they be: for what soeuer is made, grauen, or deuised by mans hand, contrary to Gods word, that same is an Idoll. What say you to that?
Chad. What be those that ye are so offended withall?
Haukes. The MarginaliaThe Crosse.crosse of wood, siluer, copper, or gold. &c
Boner. What say ye to that?
Haukes. I say it is an Idoll. What say you to it?
Boner. I say euery Idoll is an MarginaliaImages.image, but euery image is not an Idoll.
Haukes. I say, what difference is there betwene an Idoll and an Image?
MarginaliaNote here Boners definition of an Idoll.Boner. If it be a false God, & an Image made of him, that is an Idoll: but if an Image be made of God himselfe, it is no Idoll, but an Image, because he is a true God.
Haukes. Lay your Image of your true God and of your false God together, and ye shall see the difference. Haue not your Images feete and go not, eyes and see not, eares and heare not, handes and feele not, mouthes and speake not? and euen so haue your Idols.
MarginaliaNote here how grossely Chadsey vnderstandeth the wordes of S. Paule.Chad. God forbyd, sayth S. Paul, That I should reioyce in any thyng els, but in the Crosse of Christ Iesus.
Galatians 6: 14.
Haukes. Do ye vnderstand Paule so? Do ye vnderstand Paule? Vnto the which he aunswered me neuer a word.
Boner. Where can we haue a godlyer remembraunce when we ride by the way, then to see the Crosse.
Haukes. If the Crosse were such profite vnto vs, why did not Christes Disciples take it vp, and set it on a pole, and cary it on procession with Salue festa dies?
Chad. It was taken vp.
Haukes. Who tooke it vp? Helene,
This is St Helena, the mother of Constantine, and the supposed discoverer of the True Cross.
There were pieces of the True Cross in several English religious houses, but Haukes is probably referring to Colchester abbey.
Boner. Fie, fie. I dare say thou sclaunderest it.
Haukes. I know it to be true, & do not beleue the contrary. And thus did the Byshop & the Doctour depart in a great fume: & Chadsay sayd vnto me, as he was about to depart: MarginaliaNote here discretely the spirite of Chadsey.it is pity that thou shouldest liue, or any such as thou art. I aūswered: in this case I desire not to liue, but rather to dye.
[Back to Top]Chad. Ye dye boldly, because ye would glory in your death, as Ioane Butcher did.
Chedsey is trying to associate Haukes with the Anabaptist Joan Boucher, and Haukes refuses to accept this.
Chedsey is trying to associate Haukes with the Anabaptist Joan Boucher, and Haukes refuses to accept this.
The next day Doct. Chadsey preached in the Bishops Chappell, & did not begyn his Sermon vntill al the seruice
was done, and then came the porter for mee, and sayd: my Lord would haue you come to the sermon, and so I went to the chappell dore, and stode without the dore.
Boner. Is not that fellow come?
Haukes. Yes I am here.
Boner Come in man.
MarginaliaThomas Haukes will not come into Boners Chappell.Haukes. No that I wil not. He called agayne, and I aunswered: I will come no nearer, and so I stoode at the dore. Then sayd the Byshop, go to your sermon.
Then Doctour Chadsey put the stole about his necke, and caryed the holy water sprinckle vnto the byshop, who blessed him, and gaue him holy water, and so he went to hys sermon. MarginaliaChadseyes sermon.The text that he entreated on, was the xvi. of Mathew. MarginaliaHis theame.Whom do men say that I the sonne of man am? Peter sayd: some say that thou art Helias, some say thou art Iohn Baptist, some say one of the Prophetes. But whom say ye that I am? Thē sayd Peter, thou art Christ the sonne of the liuyng god. Then left he the text there, and sayd: whose sinnes so euer ye binde, are boūd: which authority (sayd hee) is left to the heades of the Churche, as my Lord here is one, and so vnto all the rest that be vnderneth him. But the Church hath ben much kicked at sith the beginning: yet kicke the heretickes, sporne the heretickes neuer so much, the Church doth stand and florish. And then he went straight way to the sacrament, and sayd his minde on it, MarginaliaChadsey exalteth the sacrament.exaltyng it aboue the heauen, (as the most of them do) and so returned to his place agayne, saying: whose sinnes ye doe remit, are remitted and forgeuen: and so hee applied it to the Byshops and Priestes to forgiue sinnes, and sayd, all that be of the Church will come and receiue the same. MarginaliaScripture clerkly applyed.And thys he proued by S. Iohn in the xi. chapiter, saying that Christ came to rayse Lazarus, which whē he was risen, was boūd in bandes: then sayd Christ to them that were in authority (who were his disciples:) go ye and lose him, lose him you. And this was the effect of his sermon, applying all to them that they haue þe same authority þt Christ spake of to his Apostles, & so ended his sermon, and they went to dinner.
[Back to Top]MarginaliaAn other talke betwene Tho. Haukes and Boner, and the Queenes men.ANd after dynner I was called into the chappell, where as were certayne of the Queenes seruauntes and other straungers, whom I dyd know.
Boner. Haukes, how lyke ye the sermon?
Haukes. As I lyke al the rest of his doctrine?
Boner. What? are ye not, edified therby?
Haukes. No surely.
Boner.. It was made onely because of you.
Haukes. Why? then am I sory that ye had no mo heretickes here, as ye call them. I am sory, that ye haue bestowed so much labour on one, and so little regarded.
Boner. Well, I will leaue you here, for I haue busines. I pray you talke with him: for if ye coulde do him good (sayd he) I would be glad.
This the Byshop spake to the Queenes men, who said vnto me: Alas what meane you to trouble your selfe about such matters, against the queenes procedinges.
MarginaliaThomas Haukes refuseth to talke with the Queenes seruantes.Haukes. Those matters haue I aunswered before them þt be in authority: and vnles I see you haue a further commission,
Technically Bonner needed a royal commission to interrogate Haukes.
Haukes. If my Lord will talke with mee him selfe, I will aunswere him. They cryed faggots, burne him, hang hym, to pryson with him: it is pitie that he lyueth, lay Irons vpon him: and with a great noyse they spake these woordes. Then in the middest of all the rage, I departed from them, and went to the porters lodge agayne.
[Back to Top]MarginaliaAn other dayes talke betwene Haukes and Boner.THe next day, the Byshop called me into his chamber, and sayd: ye haue bene with me a great while: and ye are neuer the better but worse and worse: and therfore I will delay the tyme no longer, but send you to Newgate.
Haukes. My Lord, ye can do me no better pleasure.
Boner. Why? would ye so fayne go to prison?
Haukes. Truly I did looke for none other when I came to your handes.
Boner. Come on your wayes: ye shall see what I haue written. Then did he shew me certayne Articles, and these are the contentes of them:
MarginaliaBoner sheweth Haukes articles in writing.Whether the Catholyke Churche do teach and beleue þt Christes reall presence doth ramaine in the Sacrament or no, after the wordes of consecration, accordyng to the words of Saint Paul, which are these: Is not the bread whiche we breake the partakyng of the body of Christ, and the cup whiche we blesse, the partakyng of the bloud of Christ?
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