Marginalia1555. Iuly.say: because you are here, Ergo it must needes follow that you are at Rome. For this you reason: Because Christes
body is in heauen, Ergo it is in the Sacrament vnder the forme of bread: which no wise man will graunt.
Alphon. Why, will you beleue nothyng, but that which is expresly spoken in the Scriptures?
Bradford. Yes Syr, I will beleue what soeuer you shall by demonstration out of the Scripture declare vnto me.
Alphon. He is obstinate, quoth Alphōsus to his fellow: and then turnyng to Bradford sayd, MarginaliaChrist is able to do it: Ergo he doth it.is not God able to do it?
Brad. Yes, but here the question is of Gods will, and not of his power.
Alphon. Why? doth he not say playnly, this is my body?
Brad. Yes, and I deny not but that it is so, to the fayth of the worthy receiuer.
Alphon. To the fayth? how is that?
Brad. Forsooth Syr as I haue no toung to expresse it: so I know ye haue no eares to heare and vnderstād it. For fayth is more then man can vtter.
Alphon. But I can tell all that I beleue.
Brad. You beleue not much then. For if you beleue the ioyes of heauen, and beleue no more therof then you can tell, you will not yet desire to come thether. For as the mynde is more capable and receiuable thē the mouth: so it conceiueth more then toung can expresse.
Alphon. Christ sayth MarginaliaHoc est corpus meum.it is his body.
Brad. And so say I, MarginaliaQuodā modo.after a certaine maner.
Alphon. After a certaine maner? that is, after an other maner then it is in heauen.
Bradford. S. Augustine telleth it more playnly,MarginaliaAugustinus Epistola ad Bonifacium. that it is Christes body after the same maner as Circumcision was the couenaunt of God, and the Sacrament of faith is faith: or, to make it more playne, as Baptisme & the water of Baptisme is regeneration.
Alphon. Very well sayd. Baptisme and the water thereof is a Sacrament of Gods grace & spirite in the water clensing the Baptised.
Brad. No Syr, away with your enclosing but this I graūt, MarginaliaArgument. As grace is in the water of baptisme so is the body in the sacrament. But grace is in the water by signification: Ergo so is the body in the sacrament.that after the same sort Christes body is in the bread, on which sort the grace and spirite of God is in the water.
[Back to Top]Alphon. In the water is Gods grace by signification.
Brad. So is the body in the bread in the Sacrament.
Alphon. You are much deceiued in that you make no diffe-
rence betwene the Sacramentes that bee standers, and the Sacramentes that are transitorie and passers by.
Castro is distinguishing between sacraments in which the sacramental object was permanently altered, such as the eucharist, and ones in which it was not, such as baptism.
I.e., ordination.
Brad. Very good, and so it is in the Supper of the Lord: no longer then it is in vse, is it Christes Sacrament.
MarginaliaThe fryer in a chafe.¶ Here was this Frier in a wonderfull rage, and spake so highe (as often hee had done before) that the whole house rang agayne, chafing with om and cho.
These are not Latin words, and Bradford's meaning here is unclear. Perhaps he is making fun of Castro's accent.
Brad. Be patient, & you shall see that MarginaliaThe sacrament of the Lordes table compared with baptisme in the scripture.by the Scripture I will finde Baptisme & the Lordes Supper coupled together.
Alphō. No, that canst thou neuer do. Let me see a text of it.
Brad. Paule sayth: Marginalia1. Cor. 12.That as we are Baptised into one body: so were we potati in vno spiritu: that is: we haue dronke of one spirite, meanyng of the cup in the Lordes Supper.
Alphon. Paul hath no such wordes.
Bradford. Yes that he hath
Confes. I trow he hath not.
Bradford. Geue me a Testament, and I will shew you.
MarginaliaThe fryer proued a lyer in hys owne testament.¶ So a Priest that sat by them, gaue hym his Testament, and he shewed them the playne text. Then they looked one vpon an other. In fine the Friers founde this simple shift, that Paule spake not of the Sacrament.
Bradford. Well, the text is plaine inough, and there are of the fathers which do so vnderstand the place: For Chrisostome doth expounde it so.
Alphon. Alphonsus which had the Testament in hys hād, desirous to suppresse this foyle,
A foil is a check or repulse [OED].