Marginalia1555. Iuly.West. The church is like a Tower or towne vpon a hil, that al men may se.
Brad. True Sir, all men that bee not blynde. MarginaliaWhy the church is not seene.Visible enough is the church, but mens blyndnes is great. Impute not therfore to the Church, that which is to be imputed to mens blyndnes.
MarginaliaWeston commeth in againe with his Antiquitie.West. Where was your Churche fourty yeares agoe? or where is it now? except in a corner of Germanie?
Brad. Forsooth Sir the Churche of Christ is dispersed, MarginaliaThe Church is tyed to no place but to the word.& not tyed to this or that place, but to the woorde of God: so that where it is, there is Gods Churche, if it be truely taught.
West. Loe is not this to make the church inuisible? point me out a Realme a hundreth yeares past, which mainteyned your doctrine?
Brad. Sir, if you wyl, or would wel marke the state of the Church before Christes comming, with it now (as s. Paul and Peter wylleth vs) MarginaliaThe church is not alwayes to be poynted out by realmes and coūtries.I thinke you would not looke for suche shewes of the Churche to be made, as to poynt it by Realmes. You know that in Helias tyme both in Israell, and els where, MarginaliaThe church in Helias tyme was not poyntable.Gods Church was not poyntable: & therefore cryed he out that he was leaft alone.
[Back to Top]West. No mary, dyd not God say, that there was 7000. whiche had not bowed their knees to Baal? Loe then 7000. shewe me seuen thousand a hundred yeares ago of your Religion.
Brad. Sir, these 7000. were not knowen to men, for then Helias woulde not haue sayd, that he had bene leaft alone.MarginaliaGod saw the Church in Helias, although Helias himselfe did not see it: and so is it now. And it is plaine enough by that which the text hath, namely that God saith, Reliqui mihi, I haue reserued to me. 7000 Marke that it saith, God had reserued to hym selfe, to his owne knowledge, as I doubt not but a hundred yeres agoe God had his. 7000. in his proper places, though men knewe not therof.
[Back to Top]West. Wel, Maister Bradford, I wyl not make your case worse, then for transubstantiation, although I know that we agree not in other matters. And I pray you make you it your selfe not worse. If I can doo you good, I wyll: hurt you I wyll not. I am no Prince, and therefore I can not promise lyfe, except you wyl submit your selfe to the definition of the Church.
[Back to Top]Brad. Sir, so that you wyl define me your Church, that vnder it you bring not in a false church: you shal not see but that we shal soone be at a poynt.
West. In good fayth M. Bradford, I see no good wyll be done, & therfore I wyll wish you as much good as I can, and hereafter I wyll perchance come or send to you againe, and so he sent for M. Weale, and departed.
Nowe after his departyng, came the keeper M. Claydon, and Steuen Bech, and they were very hote with master Bradford & spake vnto hym in such sort that he should not looke but to haue them vtter enemies vnto hym, notwithstandyng the frendship they both had hytherto pretended. God be with vs, and what matter is it who be against vs.
[Back to Top]The colloquy between Bradford and the gentlewoman's servant was first printed by Foxe, in his second edition. Whoever related it to Foxe (presumably the servant) also supplied Foxe with a copy of the letter Bradford wrote in reply to the gentlewoman, which was also first printed in the 1570 edition. It is a vivid example of the relationship between some of the prominent martyrs and their sustainers, with the former providing spiritual guidance and the latter financial and emotional support.
[Back to Top]MarginaliaTalke betwene M. Bradford and a certaine Gentlewomans seruaunt.THis seruant or messenger of the foresaid Gentlewoman commmyng to M. Bradford, and taking hym by the hand said: God be thanked for you. How do you?
Brad. Maister Bradford aunswered: Wel I thanke God. For as men in sailyng, which be neare to the shore or hauen where they woulde be, would be nearer: euen so the nearer I am to God, the nearer I would be.
Seruant. Syr, I haue neuer sene you so strōg & healthsome of body, as me thinke you be now, God be thanked for it.
Brad. Why quoth he, I haue geuen ouer al care and study, and onely doo I couet to be talking with hym, whom I haue alwayes studyed to be withal.
Seru. Wel, God hath done much for you, since the time that I first knewe you, and hath wrought wonderously in you
to his glory.
Brad. Truth it is, for he hath dealt fauourably with me, in that he hath not punished me according to my sinnes, but hath suffered me to liue, that I might seeke repentance.
Seru. Truly we heare say, there is a rod made so greuous, out of the which I thinke no man shall plucke his head.
Brad. Wel, let all that be of Christes flocke, arme thē selues to suffer, for I thinke verily, God wyll not haue one of his to escape vntouched, if he loue hym, let them seeke what meanes or wayes they can.
Seru. Well sir, there goeth a talke of a MarginaliaBy thys fryer, he meaneth Alphonsus mentioned before.Fryer
On 10 February 1555, Alfonso de Castro preached a sermon before King Phillip denouncing religious persecution.
Brad. Veryly, quoth Bradford, I had a booke within these two dayes of his writing, & therein he saith, that it is not meete nor conuenient that the heretikes should liue:
See Alfonso de Castro, De justa haereticorum punitione (Salamanca, 1547), II, fo. 121r.
Alfonso de Castro.
Seru. Sir, father Cardmaker hath hym commended vnto you.
Brad. How doth he, how doth he?
Seru. Wel, God be thanked.
Brad. I am very glad therof: for in deede my lord Chancelour dyd cast hym in my teeth, but as Dauid saith, God hath disappoynted hym.
Seru. Forsooth, Gods name be praysed, he is very strong.
Brad. And I trust, so are we. What els? our quarrell is most iust: therfore let vs not be afrayd.
Seru. My maistres hath her recommended vnto you.
Brad. Howe doth shee?
Seru. Wel, God be praysed, but shee hath bene sorer afflicted with her one father and mother, then euer you were with your imprisonment, and yet God hath preserued her, I trust, to his glory.
Brad. I pray you tel her, MarginaliaA story of a faithfull woman and Martyr in the primatiue church called Iuleddo. Ex Basilio.I red this day a godly historie, written by Basilius Magnus, of a vertuous woman which was a widowe, and was named Iuleddo. Shee had great landes, and many children, and nigh her dwelled a Cormorant,
An insatiably greedy or rapacious person [OED].
Seru. That shal I sir by Gods grace: for shee told me that shee was with you and M. Saunders, and receyued your gentle counsel.
The gentlewoman had apparently visited both Bradford and Laurence Saunders; this was probably some time before her servant visited Bradford, for she probably saw him and Saunders when Bradford was confined in the King's Bench and Saunders in the adjoining Marshalsea.
Brad. We neuer gaue her other counsel but the truth, & in witnes therof we haue & wyl seale it wyth our blouds. For I thought this night that I had bene sent for, because at a xj. of the clocke there was suche rapping at the doore.
Then answered a mayd, and sayd: why then I perceiue you were afrayd.
Brad. Ye shall heare howe feareful I was. MarginaliaM. Bradford nothing afrayd of death.For I considered that I had not slept, and I thought to take a nap before I went: and after I was asleepe, these men came into the next chamber, and sang, as it was tolde me, and yet for all my fearefulnes I heard them not: therfore belike I was not afrayde, that slept so fast.
[Back to Top]Seru. Doo you lacke any thing toward your necessitie?
The servant is asking if Bradford needs money to purchase food, bedding, clothing and other 'luxuries'.
Brad. Nothing but your prayers, & I trust I haue thē, and you myne.
Seru. I saw a priest come to you to day in the mornyng.
Brad. Yea, he brought me a letter from a Fryer, and I am writyng an answere.