MarginaliaAnno. 1555. October.So they did belye mee to haue sayd, when I had sayd nothing so, but to reproue certaine both Priestes and beneficed men, MarginaliaWhat the Papistes do geue to our Lady.which doe geue so muche to our Lady, as though she had not bene saued by Christ, a whole Sauior both of her, and of al that be and shalbe saued: I did reason after this maner, that either she was a sinner, or no synner: MarginaliaOur Lady not without synne.if a synner, then she was deliuered from synne by Christ: so that he saued her, either by deliueryng or by preseruyng her from sinne, so that without hym, neither she, nor none other, neither be, nor could be saued. And to auoide all offence, I shewed how it might be aunswered, both to certaine Scriptures which maketh al generally sinners, and how it might be aunswered vnto Chrysostome and Theophilact, whiche maketh her namely and specially a sinner. But all woulde not serue, their malice is so great: notwithstandyng that fiue hundred honest men can and will beare record. MarginaliaPapistes depraue whē they cānot disproue.When they cannot reproue that thing that I do saie, then thei will belye mee to saie that thing that thei can not reproue, for they will needes appeare to be against me.

So thei lied, when I had shewed diuers significations of this word (Sainctes) among the vulgare people. MarginaliaDifference betwixt Images and Sainctes.First Images of Saintes are called Sainctes, and so thei are not to be worshipped: take worshipping of them for praiyng to them: for thei are neither Mediators by way of redemption, nor yet by way of intercession. And yet thei may be well vsed, when thei be applied to that vse that thei were ordeined for, to be lay mens bookes for remembraunce of heauenly thinges. &c.

Take Saintes for inhabiters of heauen, and worshipping of them, for praiyng to them, I neuer denied, but that thei might be worshipped, and be our Mediatours,MarginaliaMaisters Latimers errour in those daies.though not by way of redemption (for so Christ alonely is a whole Mediator, both for them and for vs) yet by the way of intercession. &c.

And I neuer denied Pilgrimage. And yet I haue saied that much scurffe must be pared awaieMarginaliaPare awaie the skurfe, and cleane take al Popery awaie. ere euer it can bee well doen, superstition, idolatry, false faith, and trust in the Image, vniust estimation of the thing, setting asyde Gods ordinaunce for doing of the thing: debtes must be paid, restitutions made, wife and children prouided for, duty to our poore neighbours discharged. And when it is at the best, before it be vowed, it nede not to be done, for it is neither vnder the bidding of God nor of man to be done. And wiues must counsell wyth Husbandes, and Husbandes and wiues wyth Curates, before it bee vowed to be done. &c.

MarginaliaAue Maria.As for the Aue Maria, who can thinke that I would deny it? I said it was an heauenly gretyng or saluting of our blessed Lady, wherein the Angell Gabriell sent from the father of heauen, did annunciate and shew vnto her the good will of God towardes her, what he would with her & to what he had chosen her. But I saied, MarginaliaAue Maria no praier.it was not properly a Praier, as the Pater noster, which our sauior Christ himselfe made for a proper Praier, and bad vs say it for a Praier, not adding that we should say. x. or. xx. Aue Maries, withall: and I denied not but that we may well say the Aue Maria also, but not so that wee shall thinke that the Pater noster is not good, a whole and a perfit prayer, nor can not bee wel said without Aue Maria: so that I did not speake against well saiyng of it, but against superstitious saiyng of it, and of the Pater Noster to: and yet I put a difference betwixt that, & that which Christ made to be said for a praier. &c.

MarginaliaWhether the fier in hell be a materiall fier, or spirituall.Who euer could say or thinke so? Howbeit good Autors do put a difference betwixt a suffering in the fire wyth bodyes, and without bodies. The soule without the body is a spirituall substaunce, which they say can not receaue a corporall quality, and some maketh it a spirituall fire: and some a corporall fire. And as it is called a fire, so it is called a Worme, MarginaliaThe worme of conscience is so called by a metaphoricall speache.and it is thought of some not to be a materiall worme that is a liuing beast, but it is a metaphor, but that is neither to nor fro. For a fire it is, a worme it is, a paine it is, a torment it is, an anguish it is, a griefe, a misery, a sorow, a heauines inexplicable, intolerable, whose nature and condition in euery point who can tell, but he that is of Gods priuy counsell, saith S. Austen? God geue vs grace rather to be diligent to keepe vs

out of it, then to be curious to discusse the propertie of it: for certaine we be, that there is litle ease, yea, none at all, but wepyng wailyng, and gnashyng of teeth, which bee two effectes of extreme pain, rather certaine tokens what payne there is, than what maner paine there is.

He that sheweth the state and condition of it, doth not deny it. MarginaliaMaister Latymer had leauer be in Purgatory then Lollars Tower.But I had leauer be in it, then in Lollers tower the Bishops prison, for diuers skils and causes.

MarginaliaCauses declared why it is better to be in Purgatory thē in Lollars Tower.First, in this I might dye bodily for lacke of meate and drinke: in that I could not.

Item, in this I might dye ghostly for feare of paine, or lacke of good counsell: There I could not.

Item, in this I might be in extreme necessitie: In that I could not, if it be perill of perishing.

Item, in this I might lacke charitie: There I could not.

Item, in this I might lose my pacience: In that I could not.

Item, in this I might bee in perill and daunger of death: In that I could not.

Item, in this I might be without suertie of saluation: In that I could not.

Item, in this I might dishonour GOD: In that I could not.

Item, in this I myght murmur and grudge against God: In that I could not.

Item, in this I might displease GOD: In that I could not.

Item, in this I might bee displeased with God: In that I could not.

Item, in this I might be iudged to perpetuall prison as thei call it: In that I could not.

Itē, in this I might be craftily handled: In that I could not.

Item, in this I might be brought to beare a fagot: In that I could not.

Item, in this I might be discontented with God: In that I could not.

Item, in this I might be separated and disseuered from Christ: In that I could not.

Item, in this I might be a member of the deuill: In that I could not.

Item, in this I might be an inheritour of hell: In that I could not.

Item, in this I might praie out of charitie and in vaine: In that I could not.

Item, in this my Lorde and his Chaplaines might manacle me by night: In that thei could not.

Item, in this thei might strangle me, and saie that I had hanged my selfe:MarginaliaAs they did with Hunne.In that thei could not.

Item, in this thei might haue me to the Consistory and iudge me after their fashion: From thence thei could not.

Ergo I had leuer be there then here. For though the fire be called neuer so hot, yet and if the Bishops two fingers can shake awaie a peece, a fryers coule an other part, and scala cœli altogether, I will neuer foūd Abbay, Colledge, nor Chauntrey for that purpose.

For seyng there is no paine that can breake my charity, breake my pacience, cause me to dishonour God, to displease God, to be displeased with God, cause mee not to ioy in God, nor that can bring me to daūger of death, or to daunger of desperation, or from suertie of saluation, that can separate me from Christe, or Christe from mee, I care the lesse for it. MarginaliaChrysostome. What is the greatest paine to damned soules.Iohn Chrisostome saith, that the greatest paine the damned soules haue, is to be separate and cut of from Christ for euer: which paine he saith is greater then many helles: which paines the soules in Purgatory neyther haue nor can haue.

Consider M. Morice, whether prouision for Purgatory hath not brought thousands to hel.MarginaliaProuision of Purgatory bringeth many to hell.Dettes haue not ben payed: restitution of euill gotten lands and goodes hath not bene made: christiē people (whose necessities we see, to whom whatsoeuer wee do, Christ reputeth done to himself, to whom we are bounden vnder payne of damnation to do for, as we would be done for our selfe) are neglect and suffred to perishe: last willes vnfulfilled and broken: Gods ordinaunce set asyde: and also for Purgatory, foundations haue bene taken for sufficient satisfaction: so we haue tryfled away the ordinaūce of God, and restitutiōs. Thus we haue gone to hell, with Masses, Diriges, and ringing of many a bell. And who can pill Pilgrimages from Idolatry, and purge Purgatory from robbery, but hee shalbe in peril to come in suspition of heresy with them? so that they may pill with Pilgrimage,