MarginaliaAnno. 1555. October.to obey orders as I haue obeyed, that we may all be the children of obedience.
Now I will returne to the text. When Simon had aunswered: Tu es Christus filius Dei viui,
Tu es Christo filius Dei viui, etc. [See above Page 1681, Column 1, Line 25]
But Peter had an other lesson inwardly taught hym, and because he could his lesson, Christ gaue him a new name: MarginaliaPetrus what it signifieth.for Petra is a stone, a new name of a Christen mā, for vpon this confession of thy fayth, heere I will build my church,MarginaliaNote what Winchester here sayth: that vpon the cōfession of Peter the church is builded. that is, I will stablish all those which I entēd to gathe vnto thee: Et Dæmones non preualebunt aduersus eam,
Et Daemones non preualebunt aduersus eam and the Deuils shall not preuaile against it et portae inferi non praevalebunt adversum eam.
But now for a further declaration, it is a meruelous thing, that vpō these wordes the Bishop of Rome should found his supremacie, for whether it be super Petram, or Petrum, all is one matter, it maketh nothing at all for the purpose to make a foundatiō of any such supremacie.MarginaliaSteuen Gardiner agaynst the Popes supremacie.For otherwise when Peter spake carnally to Christ (as in the same chapter a litle folowing) Sathan was his name, where Christ sayd: Go after me Sathan,MarginaliaPeter called Sathan.so that the name of Peter is no foundation for the supremacie,MarginaliaPeters name no foūdatiō for supremacie.but as it is sayd in Scripture: Fundati estis super fundamentum Apostolorum & Prophetarum:
Fundati estis super fundamentum Apostolorum & Prophetarum Not translated. You were established on the foundation of the Apostles and the Prophets superaedificati super fundamentum apostolorum et prophetarum. [Foxe usesfundati estisinstead ofsuperaedificati.Again, is he using a different Latin bible from the Vulgate, or is he translating directly from the Greek?]
A scholemaster is a subiect, a Phisition is a subiect, a Captaine is a subiect, Counsellours are subiectes, yet do these order and direct the kyng: wherfore leuing the Byshop of Rome, this I say to declare of what opinion I am of. I do not now speake what I could say. I haue spoken beyond the Seas, I haue written, my bookes be abroad. But this is not the place here: MarginaliaTu es Petrus, maketh nothing for the B. of Rome.I say that this place maketh nothyng for the Byshop of Rome, but for Christ only, for none can put Aliud fundamentum nisi id quod positum est, qui est Christus Iesus.
Aliud fundamentum nisi id quod positum est, qui est Christus Iesus. Not translated. Another foundation except that which has been set, which is Christ Jesus. fundamentum enim aliud nemo potest ponere praeter id quod positum est qui est Christus Iesus. [Clearly citing this passage, but adapted to Foxe's phrasing of his narrative.]
But now to go forth declaring my minde, in my time hath come many alterations. MarginaliaWinchester agaynst þe Pope, agaynst Abbeyes, and Images.First a great alteration it was to renounce the Byshop of Romes authoritie, and I was one that stode in it. A great alteration it was that Abbayes were dissolued. A great alteration it was that I-
[Back to Top]mages were pulled downe: and to all these did I condescend, and yet I haue beene counted a maintayner of superstition, and I haue beene called a MarginaliaMaster of Ceremonies.Master of Ceremonies and of outward thynges, and I haue bene noted to take that religion which consisteth in outward thinges, as though hee were a ryght Christian that fulfilled the outward ceremonies, wherof I promised to declare my conscience and so will I, and how I haue estemed ceremonies, and that I haue neuer bene of other opinion then I am concerning ceremonies, and myne opinion I haue gathered of Augustine, and Ierome, auncient fathers and Doctours of the Church.
[Back to Top]MarginaliaWinchesters opinion of Ceremonies.Ceremonies serue to moue men to serue God, and as long as they be vsed for that purpose, they may bee well vsed in the church: but when man maketh him selfe seruaunt to them and not them to serue him, then bee our ceremonies brought to an abuse. MarginaliaCeremonies how and when they are abused.If by ouer much familiarity of them men abuse them, they do euill. For wee must not serue creatures, but Deo. We had Monkery, Nunry, Fryery of a wondrous number, much variety of garmentes, variety of deuises in dwelling, many sondry orders and fashions in mouing of the body. These thinges were first ordayned to admonish them to their duety to God, to labour for the necessity of the poore, and to spare from their owne bellies to the poore, and therfore was their fare ordeined and prepared. And because they abused these thinges, and set them in an hyer place then they ought to do,MarginaliaCeremonies seruauntes to men, not men to ceremonies.not taking monition therby the better to serue God, but esteming perfection to consist in them, they were dissolued, their houses and garmentes were taken away.
[Back to Top]But one thing king Henry would not take away, that was the MarginaliaVowe of chastitie.vow of chastity. The vow of obedience he conuerted to himselfe: the vow of chastity he willeth still to remayne with them.
We had many Images wherto pilgrimages were done, and many tombes that men vsed to vsit, by reason wherof, they fell in a fancy of Idolatry & superstition, aboue the thinges that they might haue beene taken for, and because they had not the vse that they were ordeyned for, they were left. MarginaliaWinchester neuer agaynst þe taking down of Images being abused with Idolatrie.When men put the Images in a higher place then they serued for: then were they taken cleane away: as giue a chyld a gay booke to learne vppon, and then if he gase vpon the gorgeousnes of his booke, and learne not his lesson according to the intēt that that boke was geuen for, the booke is taken away from him again. So the Images, when men deuysed and fell to haue them in hygher place and estimation then they were first set vp in the Church for, then they might bee taken awaye: and I was neuer of other mynd, nor neuer had other opinion of them. Diuers thinges there be in the church which be in the liberty of the ruler to order as he seeth cause, and he that is ruler may eyther let them stand or els may cause them to be taken away.
[Back to Top]MarginaliaTwo maner of reformations, one where the thinges cannot be taken away, but the abuse: the other where both the things and the abuse may be taken away.There be two maner of reformations. We haue had of both sortes. There be thinges in the church the which if they be abused, may not be takē away. As for baptisme, if it be abused, there may not an other thing bee put in the place of it, but the thing must be reformed and brought to the rihgt vse againe. Also preaching, if it be abused, may not bee taken awaye, but must bee reformed and brought to the right vse: but there be other thinges vsed in the church in which the Rulers haue liberty, either to reforme them or to take them away.MarginaliaTo take away all Images lyeth in the liberty of the Rulers.We haue had many Images, which bee now all taken away, for it was in the liberty of the Rulers for the abuse of them, eyther to reforme them, or to take them away. And because it was an easier way to take them away, then to bring them to the right vse that they were ordayned for, they were all cleane taken away, and so they might bee.MarginaliaIf abusing of Images to Idolatrie be cause sufficiēt to take away Images, why did Winchester hold with them, before? if it be not cause sufficient,. why doth he now graunt to the taking of them awaye, being no more wantonly abused, them they were before time?Yea Syr will ye say, but ye haue maintayned and defended them and haue preached agaynst suche persons as despysed them. It is truth, I haue preached agaynst the despysers of thē, and haue sayd, that Images might bee suffered and vsed in the church as lay mens bookes, yet I neuer otherwise defended them, but to be vsed for such purpose as they were first set vp in the church for, but now that men be waxed wanton, they are cleane taken away, wherin our religion is no more touched thē whē bookes were taken away for abusing of them.
[Back to Top]There was an order taken for bookes not to bee vsed, wherein some might haue said, the bookes are good, and I know how to vse them, I may therefore vse them well ynough. I will therefore vse them though they bee forbidden: but if thou haue any charity, thou oughtest to be contented rather to haue them cleane taken awaye,
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