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Marginalia1555. Decemb.consent to the Churche of Rome. Yea and besides all this, the most part of Europa doth not agree neither allowe the Churche of Rome: as Germany, the kyngdome of Denmarke, the kyngdome of Poole, a great part of Fraunce, England, and Zeland,
CloseA province of the Netherlands. Philpot is being optomistic in considering Poland, Zealand, France and England as protestant, although all of these had significant protestant minorities.
CloseThe University of Bologna was famous for its school of canon law.
Doct. Sauer. Maister Philpot, I remember you beyond sea since the time you reasoned with a Frier (a notable learned man) commyng from Venice to Padua in a barge.
Phil. I can not forget that, for the Frier threatned me to accuse me of heresie as soone as he came to Padua, for that I talked with him so boldly of the truth. Hee was no such learned man as you name hym to be, but onely in his schole pointes a good Purgatory Frier.
CloseI.e., the friar only knew standard arguments.
Doct. Sauer. Well, he was a learned man for all that. And I am sory to heare that you this day hauing commoned with so many notable learned men, are no more conformable to them then you be.
Phil. I wilbe conformable to all them that be conformable to Christ in his word. And I pray you good Maister Doctour, be not so conformable to please men more then God, cōtrary to your learnyng for worldly estimations sake.
Doct. Sauer. No that I am not. Vpō what occasion should you thinke thus of me?
Phil. Vpon no euill that I do know of you, Maister Doctour: but I speake as one wishyng that you should not be led away frō the truth for promotions sake, as many Doctours be now a dayes.
Doct. Sauer. I haue heard your argumentations hetherto, and me thinketh that a great many of the old auncient writers be agaynst you in that you do not allow the Church of Rome neither the supremacy: for S. Cyprian (which is an old auncient writer) doth allow the Byshop of Rome to be the supreme head of the Church.MarginaliaFor the further debating of this matter, that Ciprian doth alow no such thing, read the answere of Master Nowell to M. Dorman.
[Back to Top]Phil. That I am sure of he doth not. For he writyng vnto Cornelius then Byshop of Rome, calleth him but his companion and felow Byshoppe, neither attributed to him the name either of Pope, or elles of any other vsurped termes whiche now be ascribed to the Byshop of Rome to the settyng forth of his dignitie.
[Back to Top]Doct. Sauer. You can not bee able to shew that S. Cyprian calleth Cornelius his felow Byshop.
Phil. I will wager with you that I am able to make, that I can shew it you in Cyprian, as I haue sayd.
Doctour Sauer. I will lay none other wager with you, but booke for booke, that it is not so.
Phil. I agree thereto, & I pray you one of my Lords Chaplaines to fet vs Cyprian hether for the triall hereof. And wt that one of them went to my Lordes study & brought forth Cyprian, & by and by he turned to the first booke of his Epistles, the 3. Epistle,MarginaliaCipri. lib. 1. Epist. 3. and there would haue seemed to haue gathered a strong Argument for the supremacy of the Byshop of Rome, because he sayth: It goeth not well with the Church when the high Priest is not obeyed, which supplieth the stede of Christ after Gods word, and the consent of his felow Byshops, and the agreement of the people.
[Back to Top]Doct. Sauer. How can you auoyde this place which maketh so playnly for the Byshop of Romes supremacy?
Phil. It maketh not so playne, Maister Doctour, on your side, as you gather, as by and by I will geue you to vnderstand. But first I challenge the wager whiche we made, þt your booke is myne. MarginaliaD. Sauerson hath lost his booke to M Philpot Cypri. lib. 4. Epist. 2. MarginaliaCap. 16. Nic. Conc. 3. Patriarkes only be named, to whom afterward the Patriarke of Constantinople was also ioyned. Cyprian hath also these wordes folowing in the same epistle: It was declared amongest vs and it is also according to iustice and equity that euery mans cause should be hearde where the fault was committed. and to euery seuerall Pastor there is a portion of the flocke appoynted to rule and gouerne, for the which hee must make an accompt before God.MarginaliaCipri. lib. 4. Epist. 2.For here you may see that he calleth Cornelius his felow Byshop, as he doth also in other places. And now for the vnderstandyng of that place, you doe miscōstrue it, to make the high Priest onely for the Byshop of Rome & otherwise then it was in his tyme. For there were by Nicene Councell iiij. Patriarckes appointed, the Patriarke of Hierusalem, the Patriarke of Cōstātinople. the Patriarke of Alexandria, & the Patriarke of Rome, of which foure the Patriarke of Rome was placed lowest in the Councell, and so continued many yeares, for the tyme of. vij. or viij. generall Councels, as I am able to shew.
[Back to Top]Therefore S. Cyprian writyng to Cornelius Patriarke of Rome
CloseI.e., Pope Cornelius I (pope from 251-3).
CloseI.e., Novatian a third century heresiarch. The Novationists separated from the church because they refused to recognize bishops and clergy who had compromised with the pagan authorities during the Decian persecution.
CloseIn contempt of, contrary to.
sidered him to be in the Church, for the tyme, the Priest, and for the tyme the Iudge in Christes stede (as in the decree of Nicene Councell was appointed) not meanyng the Byshop of Rome onely, but euery Patriarke in his precinct: who had euery one of thē a Colledge or Cathedrall Church of learned Priestes, in hearyng of whom by a conuocation of all his fellow Byshops, with the consent of the people, all heresies were determined by the worde of God: and this is the meanyng of S. Cyprian.
[Back to Top]D. Sauer. You take it so, but it seemeth to me otherwise.
Phil. Vpon what groūd it should seeme otherwise vnto you, I know not: but thys meanyng which I haue declared, the generall Coūcels. vij. or viij. one after an other, confirmed it so to be, which did not allow one supreme head onely.
Pend. There were not so many generall Councels, but iiij. onely allowed.
Phil. That is not so M. Pendleton, although there be iiij. specially allowed for the confirmatiō of the Trinitie:
ClosePendleton is restricting the general or oecumenical councils to the four which defined the nature of the Trinity: the Nicene, the first and second Ephesian and the Chalcedonian councils.
A Chaplain. Did not Christ builde his Church vpon Peter? S. Cyprian sayth so.
Phil. MarginaliaHow Saint Cyprian meaneth, Christ to build his Church vpon Peter.S. Cyprian De simplicitate prælatorum declareth in what respect hee so sayd. In persona vnius dedit Dominus omnibus claues, vt omnium vnitatem denunciaret.
In persona vnius dedit Dominus omnibus claues, vt omnium vnitatem denunciaret. GOD gaue in person of one man the keyes to all, that he might signifie the vnitie of all men. [Cannot locate in Migne, P.L. Cattley-Pratt notes that this tract also has the titleDe unitate Ecclesiae,a summary of which does appear in Migne, P.L. Presumably the original is in Greek and should be searched for in Migne, P.G.] Si in Petro non esset Ecclesiae mysterium, non ei diceret Dominus: tibi dabo claues. Si autem hoc Petro dictum est, non habet Ecclesia: si autem Ecclesia habet, quando claues accepit, Ecclesiam totam designauit. If in Peter had not bene the mysterie of the Church, the Lord had not sayde vnto hym: I will geue vnto thee the keyes. For if that were sayd vnto Peter, the Churche hath them not: if the Churche haue them, when Peter receiued them he signified the whole Churche. Nam si in Petro non esset Ecclesiae sacramentum, non ei diceret Dominus, Tibi dabo claves regni coelorum: [quaecumque solveris in terra, soluta erunt et in coelo; et quaecumque ligaveris in terra, ligata erunt et in coelo.] Si hoc Petro tantum dictum est, non facit hoc Ecclesia. [Philpot seems to mean this passage of St. Augustine, but he is paraphrasing (from memory?)]
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D. Sauer. S. Hierome De cœlesti hierarchia? It was Dyonisius you meane.
CloseSaverson is referring to Dionysius the pseudo-Areopogite (500?). He wrote 'On the Ecclesiastical Hierarchy' and 'On the Celestial Hierarchy'. Saverson thought that Philpot was citing Dionysius.
Phil. I say not that Hierome wrote any booke so entituled. But I say that in the Epistle by me alledged, hee maketh mention of the Ecclesiasticall regiment.
Doct. Sauer. I wonder you wil stand so stedfast in your errour, to your owne destruction.
Philpot. I am sure we are in no errour, by the promise of Christ made to the faythfull once, whiche is, that he will geue to his true Churche such a spirite of wisedome, that the aduersaries thereof should neuer be able to resiste. And by this I know we are of the truth, for that neither by reasonyng neither by writyng, your Sinagoge of Rome is able to aūswere. Where is there one of you all that euer hath bene able to aunswere any of the Godly learned Ministers of Germany, who haue disclosed your counterfait Religion? Which of you all (at this day) is able to aunswere Caluins Institutions,
CloseCalvin's Institutes (1536) were the major work of the great reformer.
Doct. Sauer. A godly Minister in deede, of receit of cutpursses & runnagate
CloseA fugitive.
Phil. I am sure you blaspheme that godly man, & that godly church where he is minister, as it is your churches cōdition when you can not aunswere men by learnyng, to oppresse them with blasphemies and false reportes. For in the matter of predestinatiō he is in none other opiniō thē all þe Doctours of the Church be, agreeyng to the Scriptures.
[Back to Top]Sauer. Men be able to aūswere him if they list. And I pray you which of you haue aunswered Byshop Fishers booke.
CloseJohn Fisher, Confutation Assertionis Luthernae (Antwerp: 1523).
Phil. Yes (Maister Doctour) that booke is aūswered and aunswered agayne, if you lyst to seeke what hath bene written agaynst him.
MarginaliaD. Story commeth in.And after this Doctour Story came in. To whom I sayd Maister Doctour, you haue done me great iniurie, and without lawe haue straightly imprisoned me, more lyke a Dogge then a man. And besides this, you haue not kepte promise with me, for you promised that I should be iudged the next day after.
[Back to Top]Story. I am come now to keepe promise with thee. MarginaliaHappy are you when they reuile you, and say all euill agaynst you for my names sake. Math. 5.Was there euer such a fantasticall
CloseDeluded, given to fantasy.