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Marginalia1555. December.wrote vnto him concerning any such matter, as he here can testifie.
Grene. No, you neuer wrote vnto me.
CloseGreen and Philpot are being economical with the truth. Philpot did not write to Green, but he wrote to a third party concerning Green and, as Green's letter to Philpot shows, Philpot's comments were conveyed to Green.
Boner. Why, is not this your letter whiche you did write concerning him?
Phil. I haue shewed your Lordship my mind concerning that letter already: it was not written to M. Grene, neither was he priuie of the writing therof.
Boner. How say you thē? if a mā be in an error, & you know thereof, what are you bound to do in such a case? MarginaliaWrangling matter agaynst M. Philpot.
Phil. I am bounde to doo the best I can to bring hym out of it.
Boner. If M. Grene here be in the like, are you not boūd to reforme him therof, if you can?
phil. Yes that I am, and wil do the vttermost to my power therein. The Bishop remembring him selfe, thinking that he woulde but shrewdly after his expectation be holpen at my mouth, but rather confirmed in that whiche he called an errour, ceased to goe any further in his demaunde, and called master Greene aside, and before his Register read hym a letter, I know not the contentes thereof: and therwithal he gaue Master Greene the booke of my disputation in the Conuocation house,
CloseJohn Philpot, The trew report of the disputacyon had in the convocacyon hows in London (Emden: 1554), STC 19890. This work was published anonymously; note that Philpot is not denying authorship.
Morgan. M. Philpot, I would aske you how olde your Religion is.
phil. MarginaliaIohn Philpots religion elder then Popery by a 1000. yeares.It is older then yours by a thousande yeares and moe.
Morgan. I pray you, where was it fiftie yeares agoe?
Phil. It was in Germanie apparant by the testimonies of Husse, Ierome of Prage, and Wicklieffe, whom your generation a hundred yeares agoe and more dyd burne for preaching the truth vnto you: and before their time and since hath bene, although vnder persecution it hath ben put to silence.
Morgan. MarginaliaThis religion was not seene openly a 100. yeares ago: Ergo this religion was not. The antecedent is true and the consequent false.That is a marueilous strange religion, which no man can tel certainely where to finde it.
Phil. It ought to be no marueile vnto you to see Gods truth through violence oppressed: for so it hath bene frō the beginning from time to time, as it appeareth by stories, and as Christes true religion is nowe to be founde here in England, although hypocrisie hath by violēce the vpper hand. And in the Apocalyps you may see it was prophesied, that the true church should be driuen into corners, and into wyldernes, and suffer great persecution.
[Back to Top]Morgan. A, are you seene in the Apocalyps? there are many straunge thinges.
Phil. If I tel you the truth which you are not able to refel, beleue it, & dally not out so earnest matters. Me thinke you are liker a scoffer in a play, then a reasonable doctour to instruct a man: you are bare arsed and daūce naked in a net, and yet you see not your owne nakednes.
Morgan. MarginaliaScoffing Morgan.What (I pray you) be not so quicke with me. Let vs talke a litle more coldly together.
Phil. I wyll talke with you as mildely as you can desire, if you wil speake learnedly and charitably. But if you goe aboute with tauntes to delude truth, I wil not hide it from you.
Morgan. Why, wil you not submit your iudgement to the learned men of this Realme?
phil. Because I see they can bring no good ground, wheruppon I maye with a good conscience settle my faith more surely then on that whiche I am nowe grounded vppon by Gods manifest word.
Morgan. No do? that is marueile that so many learned mē should be deceiued.
phil. It is no merueile, by S. Paul: for he saith, Marginalia1. Cor. 1.that not many wise, neither many learned after the world be called to the knowledge of the Gospel.
Morgan. Haue you then alone the spirite of God, and not we?
Phil. I say not that I alone haue the spirite of God, but as many as abide in the true faith of Christ, haue the spirite of God as wel as I.
Morgan. Howe knowe you that you haue the Spirite of God?
Phil. By the faith of Christ which is in me.
Morgan. MarginaliaMorgan falleth to scoffing and rayling at the good Martyrs of God.A, by faith, do you so? I weene it be the spirit of the buttry,
CloseA room where food and wine was stored.
CloseSometimes the stoicism of the Marian martyrs was explained away by saying that they were drunk. This charge gained credence from the martyrs sharing 'loving cups' and drinking to each other before they died.
Phil. It appeareth by your communication, that you are better acquainted with the spirite of the Buttry, then with the spirite of God. Wherefore I must nowe tell thee (thou painted wal and hypocrite) in the name of the liuyng Lord, whose truth I haue told thee, that God shal raine fire and
brymstone vpon such scorners of his word, and blasphemers of his people, as thou art.
Morgan. What, you rage nowe.
Phil. Thy foolish blasphemies haue compelled the spirite of God which is in me, to speake that whiche I haue saide vnto thee, thou enimie of al righteousnes.
Morgan. Why do you iudge me so?
Phil. By thine owne wicked words I iudge of thee, thou blinde and blasphemous Doctour: for as it is written: By thy wordes thou shalt be iustified, and by thy wordes thou shalt be condemned. I haue spoken on Gods behalfe, and nowe haue I done with thee.
Morgan. Why, then I tell thee, Philpot, that thou art an heretike, and shalt be burnt for thine heresie, & afterwardes goe to hel fire.
Phil. I tell thee, thou hypocrite, that I passe not this for thy fire and fagots, neither (I thanke God my Lord) stand in feare of the same: my faith in Christ shall ouercome thē. MarginaliaIohn Philpot in great zeale denoūceth hell fire to Morgan, vnlesse he repent.But the hell fire which thou threatnest me, is thy portion, and is prepared for thee (vnlesse thou speedily repent) and for such hypocrites as thou art.
[Back to Top]Morgan. What, thou speakest vpon wine: thou hast tipled wel to day, by likelihood.
Phil. So said the cursed generation of the Apostles being replenished with the holy Ghost, & speaking the wondrous workes of God: they said they were dronke, when they had nothing els to say, as thou doest now.
Morgan. Why, I am able to answere thee, ywis, I trow.
Phil. So it seemeth with blasphemies and lyes.
Morgan. Nay, euen with learning, say what thou canst.
Phil. That appeared well at my disputation in the Conuocation house, where thou tookest vppon thee to answeare those fewe argumentes I was permitted to make, and yet wast not able to aunsweare one, but in thine aunsweares dyddest fomble and stammar,MarginaliaMorgan fombling and stammering in the Conuocation house. that the whole house was ashamed of thee: and þe final conclusion of al thine answeres was, that thou couldest answere me, if I were in the scholes at Oxford.
[Back to Top]Morgan. What? did I so? thou beliest me.
Phil. I doo not belie thee: the booke of the reporte of the disputation
CloseJohn Philpot, The trew report of the disputacyon had in the convocacyon hows in London (Emden: 1554), STC 19890. This work was published anonymously; note that Philpot is not denying authorship.
Morgan. Yea, would you so?
Phil. MarginaliaMorgan taken vp for halting.Thou haste the spirite of illusion and Sophistrie, whiche is not able to counteruaile the spirit of truth. Thou art but an Asse in the true vnderstanding of thinges pertainyng vnto God. I call thee Asse, not in respect of malice, but in that thou kickest against the truth, and art voyd of all godly vnderstanding, not able to answere to that thou braggest in.
[Back to Top]Morgan. Why, haue I not answered thee in all things thou hast said vnto me? I take them to record.
Phil. Aske of my felow whether I be a thiefe.
Cosins. Harke, he maketh vs al theeues.
Phil. You know the phrase of that Prouerbe, that like wil hold with like. And I am sure, you wyll not iudge with me, against hym, speake I neuer so true: and in this sense I speake it. The strongest answere that he hath made against me, is, that you wyl burne me.
Morgan. Why, we do not burne you: it is the Temporall men that burne you, and not we.
CloseChurchmen were forbidden to shed blood. Technically, after the clerics had sentenced a heretic to death, he or she was remanded to the secular authorities for execution.
phil. Thus you woulde (as Pilate dyd) washe your handes of all your wicked doings. But I pray you, Inuocate seculare brachium:
inuocate seculare brachium call vppon the secular power [to be executioners of your unrighteous iudgementes.][paraphrase?]
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Harps. I haue hearde you both a good while reason together, and I neuer heard so stout an heretike as you are, M. Philpot.
Cosins. Neither I in al my life.
phil. You are not able to proue me an heretike, by one iote of Gods worde.
Harps. You haue the Spirite of arrogancie. I will reason with you no more. MarginaliaM. Harpsfield and Cosins depart.And so he was departing, and M. Cosins also. And with that the bishop and Christoforson came in againe, and said.
Boner. Maister Doctour, howe dooth this man and you agree?
Morgan. My Lord, I do aske hym where his church was fiftie yeares agoe?
Boner. Are you not halfe agreed, as one man sayde once to