MarginaliaIf violence and tiranny be no token of true religion: what may men iudge then of the Popes religion, I pray you?MarginaliaAn. 1555. December.home to vs againe. Iwis I neuer liked your Religion, because it was set forth by violence and tirranie, & that is no token of true Religi?. And I was that same maner of man then that I am nowe, and a great many moe. Mary, for feare we held our peace, and bare with that tyme. Wherfore M. Philpot, I would you did wel, for I loue you: & therfore be content to come home with vs againe into the catholike church of Rome.

Phil. Where, my Lord, (as I may begyn first to answere you) you say, that Religion is to be misliked, whiche is set forth by tyrannie, I pray God you geue not men occasion to thinke the same by yours at this daye, MarginaliaThe Popes religion hath no other ground to stand vpon, but violence.whiche haue none other argument to stand by, but violence. If you can shewe me by any good sufficient ground, whereby to grounde my conscience, that the churche of Rome is the true Catholike church, wherunto you cal me, I wyll gladly be of the same: otherwise I can not so soone chaunge the Religion I haue learned these many yeares.

Bangor. Where was your Religion (I pray you) an hundred yeres agoe, that any man knew of it?

Phil. MarginaliaWhere this religion was 100. yeares ago.It was in Germanie, and in diuers other places apparent.

Worc. Iesus, wil you be styl so singular a man? What is Germanie to the whole world?

Boner. My Lordes, I pray you geue me leaue to tell you, that I sent for him to heare masse this mornyng: and wote you what excuse he made vnto me? forsooth that he was accursed, alleging his own shame. MarginaliaBoner rayleth on Latimer.He plaieth as that varlet Latimer did at Cambridge. When the Vicechancellor sent for him (who intended to haue excommunicated hym for some of his heresies) & the Chancellor was c?myng to his chamber, he hearing that the Chancellour was commyng, made answere that he was sicke of the plague, & so deluded the Chancellour: euen so this man saith he is accursed, because he wyl not come to masse.

Worc. My Lord (I am sure) here doth behaue him selfe like a father vnto you: therfore be admonished by him, and by vs that come now frendly vnto you, and folowe your fathers before you.

Phil. It is forbidden vs of God by the Prophet Ezechiel, to folowe our fathers, neither to walke in their c?maundementes.

Worc. It is written also in an other place: Interroga patres: Aske of your fathers.

phil. MarginaliaFathers may be asked, but not followed, further then they follow the Scriptures.We ought to aske in deede our fathers that haue more experience and knowledge then we, of Gods wyll, but no more to allowe them, then we perceiue they agree with the Scripture.

Worc. You wil be a contentious man, I see wel: and S. Paul saith, that we, neither the church of God haue no such custome.

phil. I am not contentious but for the veritie of my faith, in the which I ought to c?tend with al such as do impugne the same without any iust obiection.

Worc. Let vs rise, my lord, for I see we shal do no good.

Boner. Nay, I pray you tary and heare the articles I lay to his charge. And after he had recited them, they arose, and afterward standing they reasoned with me a while.

Worc. Maister Philpot, I am very sory that you wyll be so singular. I neuer talked with none yet in my Dioces, but after once c?muncation had with me, they haue bene contented to reuoke their errours, & to teach the people how they were deceiued, and so do much good, as you may if you lyst. For as I vnderstande, you were Archdeacon of Winchester (Which is the eye of the Bishop) and you may doo muche good in that countrey, if you woulde forsake your errors, and come to the catholike church.

Phil. Wherwithal you so soone perswaded th? to your wil, I see not. Errour, that I knowe, I holde none, and of the Catholike church I am sure I am.

Worc. The Catholike Churche dooth acknowledge a reall presence of Christe in the Sacrament, and so wyll not you.

Phil. That is not so: For I acknowledge a very essentiall presence in the duely *Marginalia* Note he sayth not in the Sacrament but in the administration of the Sacrament. vsing of the sacrament.

Worc. What, a real presence?

phil. Yea, a real presence by the spirite of God in the right administration.

Worc. That is wel said: and doo you agree with the Catholike church also?

phil. I do agree with the true Catholik church.

Worc. My Lord of London, this man speaketh reasonably nowe.

Boner. You do agree in generalities, but when it shal come to the particularities, you wil farre disagree.

Worc. Wel keepe your selfe here, and you shall haue other learned Bishops to common further with you as my lorde

of Duresme, and my Lorde of Chichester (whom I heare say) you do like well.

phil. I doo like them as I doo al other that speaketh the truth. I haue once already spoken with them, & they fo?d no fault with me.

Worc. Pray in the meane season for grace to God.

Phil. Prayer is the comfortablest exercise I feele in my trouble, and my conscience is quiet, and I haue the peace of mind, which can not be the fruites of heresie.

Worc. We wil bid you farewell for this tyme.

Phil. MarginaliaAfter dinner M. Philpot called againe.After dynner they called for me againe, and demaunded of me whether I ment as I spake before dynner, and not to goe from it. To whom I answered, that I woulde not go from that I had saide.

Worc. You saide at my departing from you before dynner, that if we dyd burne you, we should burne a catholike man. Wyll you be a Catholike man, and stande to the Catholike church?

Phil. I wyl stand to the true Catholike church.

Worc. Wyl you stand to the Catholike church of Rome? MarginaliaTo stand to the Catholicke church is not enough wyth these men, except you be in the church of Rome.

Phil. If you can proue the same to be the catholike church I wyll be one therof.

Worc. Did not Christe say vnto Peter, and to all his successors of Rome: Pasce oues meas, pasce agnos meos? Feede my sheepe, feede my lambes? whiche doth signifie, that he gaue hym a more authoritie then the rest.

Phil. That sayingMarginaliaThe wordes of Christ [feede my sheepe] opened. perteyneth nothing to the authoritie of Peter aboue others, but declareth what Christe requireth of his beloued Apostles, that they shoulde with all diligence preache to the flocke of Christe, the waye of saluation, and that dooth the iteration of feeding spoken to Peter, onely signifie. But the Bishop of Rome litle regardeth this spirituall feeding, and therefore he hath imagined an easier way to make hym selfe Lord of the whole world, yea & of Gods word to, MarginaliaThe Pope is no feeder.and doth not feede Christes flocke, as Peter dyd.

Worc. How can you tel that?

phil. Yes, I haue bene there, and I could not learne of all his countreymen, what euer he preacheth.

Worc. Though he preacheth not one waye, he preacheth an other, by procuryng good order for the Churche to be kept in.

phil. I am sure that it wyl be his damnation before God, that he leaueth that he is commaunded of Christe, & setteth forth his owne Decrees to deface the Gospel.

Worc. It is the euyl liuyng that you haue seene at Rome, that causeth you to haue this yl iudgement of the church of Rome. I can not tarry nowe with you to reason further of this matter. How say you to the real presence of the sacrament, wyll you stande to that?

phil. I do acknowledge (as I haue said) a realMarginaliaBy really he meaneth truely. presence of the sacrament in the due administration therof, to the worthy receiuers by the spirit of God.

Worc. You adde now a great many moe wordes then you dyd before: and yet you say more of the Sacrament, then a great many wyl doo.

Thus they departed: and after them came in to me D. Chadsey, and D. Wright Archdeacon of Oxforde, with a great many moe.

MarginaliaTalke with D. Chadsey, and Doctor Wright, and other.Chadsey. Maister Philpot, here is maister Archdeacon of Oxford come to you, to geue you good counsel: I pray you heare hym.

Phil. I wyl refuse to heare none that wyl counsell me any good: and if any can bring any matter better then I haue, I wyl sticke therunto.

wright. I would wishe you, Maister Philpot, to agree with the Catholique Churche, and not to stande in your owne conceite: you see a great many of learned men against you.

Phil. I am (maister Doctor) of the vnfained Catholike Church, and wyl lyue and dye therein: and if you can proue your church to be the true Catholike church, I wyl be one of the same.

Wright. I came not to dispute with you, but to exhorte you. Here be better learned then I that can enfourme you better then I.

Chad. What proofe woulde you haue? MarginaliaYou promise more Chadsey then you can proue.I wyll proue vnto you our church to haue his being and fo?dation by the scriptures, by the Apostles, and by the Primitiue churche, confirmed with the bloud of Martyrs, and the testimonie of all Confessours.

Phil. Geue me your hand, M. Doctor, proue that, & haue with you.

Chadsey. If I had my bookes here, I coulde soone prooue it. I wyll goe fet some: MarginaliaD. Chadsey fetteth his booke of Annotations.and with that he wente and fet his booke of Annotations, saying: I can not bring my