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2. Sea Apostolicall.
3. Vniuersalitie.
4. Catholick.Yorke. Yea, he writeth it of the Church of Rome.
Phil. I will lay wyth your Lordshyppe as much as I can make, it is not so: and let the booke be sene.
Bath. What art thou able to lay, that hast nothyng.
Yorke. Doth he not make mention here of the Apostolicke sea, whereby he meaneth Rome?
Philpot. MarginaliaAnswere to the Archbyshops 4. poyntes.That is very straitly
Narrowly, strictly.
Yorke. Nay, hee goeth about here to proue the Catholicke Church by vniuersalitie: & how can you shew your Church to be vniuersall fifty or an hundred yeares ago.
Phil. That is not material, neither anything against S. Augustine. MarginaliaChristes Church ceaseth not to be hys church, albeit in time of persecutiō it be hid sometyme in corners.For my Church (wherof I am) were to be counted vniuersal, though it were but in. x. persōs, because it agreeth with the same that the Apostles vniuersally did plant.
[Back to Top]Yorke. MarginaliaFirst aunswere to hys reason, and call him obstinate afterward.I perceiue you are an obstinate man in your opiniō, & will not be taught: wherfore it is but lost labour to talke with you any lenger: you are a member to be cut of.
Chichester. I haue heard of you before how you troubled the good Byshop of Winchester, and now I see in you that I haue heard.
Phil. I trust you see no euill in me by this. I desire of you a sure groūd to build my fayth on, and if you shew me none, I pray you speake not ill of him that meaneth well.
Chichester. Thou art as *Marginalia* Because my Lord, you be not able to aunswere him. impudent a felow as I haue cōmoned withall.
Phil. That is spoken vncharitably my Lord, to blaspheme him whom you can not iustly reproue.
Chichester. Why, you are not God. Blasphemy is counted a rebuke to Godward, and not to man.
Philpot. Yes, it may be as well verified of an infamy layd to man speakyng in Gods cause, as you now doe lay vnto me for speakyng freely the truth afore GOD, to maintaine your vayne Religion. You are voyde of all good groūd. I perceiue you are blynd guides and leaders of the blynde, and therfore (as I am bounde to tell you) very hypocrites, tyrannously persecutyng the truth, which otherwise by iust order you are able to conuince by no meanes. Your owne Doctours and testimonies which you bring, be euidently against you, and yet you will not see the truth.
[Back to Top]Chichest. MarginaliaVeritas odium parit.Haue we this thanke for our good will, cōmyng to instruct thee?
Philpot. MarginaliaThe free hart of Iohn Philpot in telling truth.My Lordes, you must beare with me, since I speake in Christes cause: and because his glory is defaced, and his people cruelly and wrongfully slayne by you, because they will not consent to the dishonour of GOD, and to hypocrisie with you. If I told you not your fault it should be required at my handes in the day of Iudgement. Therfore knowe you (ye hypocrites in deede) that it is the spirite of God that telleth you your sinne, and not I. I passe not (I thanke God) of all your crueltie. God forgeue it you, & geue you grace to repent. And so they departed.
[Back to Top]MarginaliaAn other calling of M. Philpot before the Byshop.THe same day at night before supper, þe Bishop sēt for me into his Chappell in the presence of Archdeacon Harpesfield, Doctour Chadsey, and other his Chaplaines, and his seruanntes: at what tyme he sayd.
London. Maister Philpot, I haue by sundrye meanes gone about to do you good, and I marueile you doe so litle consider it: by my truth I can not tell what to say to you. Tell me directly, whether you will be a conformable man or no, and wherupon you chiefly stand.
Phil. I haue told your Lordshyps oftentymes playne enough, whereon I stand chiefly, requiryng a sure probation of the Church whereunto you call me.
Harps. MarginaliaTo this was aunswered sufficiently before.S. Austen writyng agaynst the Donatistes, declareth foure speciall notes to know the Church by: the cōsent of many nations, the fayth of the Sacramentes confirmed by antiquitie, succession of Byshops, and vniuersalitie.
London. I pray you Maister Archdeacon, fet the booke hether: it is a notable place, let him see it. And the booke was brought, and the Byshop read it, demaundyng how I could aunswere the same.
Phil. My Lord, I like S. Austens foure pointes for the triall of the Catholicke Church, wherof I am: for it can abide euery poynt therof together, which yours can not do.
Harps. Haue not we succession of Byshops in the Sea and
church of Rome? Wherfore then do you deny our Churche to be the catholicke Church?
Phil. S. Austine doth not put succession of Byshops onely to be sufficient but he addeth the vse of the Sacraments accordyng to antiquitye and doctrine vniuersally taught & receiued of most nations from the begynnyng of the primatiue Church, the which your Churche is farre from. But my church can auouch all these better then yours: therefore by S. Austins iudgement whiche you here bryng, myne is the catholicke Church, and not yours.
[Back to Top]Harps. Chad. It is but folly (my Lorde) for you to reason with him, for he is irrecuperable. MarginaliaIt is best for you to say so, when you haue no other way to shift of his Argumēts.
Phil. That is a good shyft for you to runne vnto, when you be confounded in your owne sayinges, and haue nothyng els to saye: you are euidently deceiued, and yet will not see it when it is layd to your face.
THus haue I at large set forth, as many of the sayd Iohn Philpot his examinatiōs and priuie conferences as are yet come to lyght, beyng faythfully written with his owne hand. And although he was diuers other tymes, after this, examined, both openly in the Consistory at Paules, and also secretly in the Byshops house: yet, what was there sayd, is not yet sufficiently knowen, eyther because M. Philpot was not him selfe suffered to wryte, or els for that his wrytynges are by some kept close, and not brought forth, otherwise then as þe bishops Register hath noted, whose handelyng of such matters, because it is (eyther for feare or for fauour of his Lord and master) very slender, litle light of any true and right meanyng can be gathered, especially on þe behalfe of the aunswerer.
This comment is revealing of Foxe's preference for accounts by the martyrs over official records and the reasons for this: the terse and formulaic nature of official records and their hostility to the defendants.
MarginaliaThe last examinations of M. Philpot in open iudgement with his final condemnation by B. Boner in the consistory at Paules. December. 14.THe Byshop hauyng sufficiently taken his pleasure wyth master Philpot in his priuate talkes, and seyng his zealous, learned, and immutable Constancie, thought it nowe high tyme to ryd his handes of hym, and therfore on the xiij. and xiiij. dayes of December, sitting iudicially in the Consistory at Paules, hee caused him to be brought thether before hym and others, as it seemeth, more for orders sake, thē for any good affection to iustice and right iudgement. The effect aswell of which two sundry their procedinges, as also of one other had the. xi. day of þe same moneth in his chappell, appeare in a maner to be all one.
The two preceding sentences are Foxe's and are not of from an official record or an oral source.
Lond. M. Philpot, amongest other thinges that were layd and obiected vnto you, Marginalia3. Speciall Articles layd to M. Philpot.these three thinges ye were especially charged and burdened withall.
The first is, that you beyng fallen from the vnitie of Christes Catholicke Churche, do refuse and will not come and be reconciled thereunto.
The second is, that you haue blasphemously spoken agaynst the sacrifice of the Masse, callyng it idolatry.
And the third is, that you haue spoken agaynst the sacrament of the aulter, denying the real presence of Christes body and bloud to be in the same.
And accordyng to the will and pleasure of the Synode legatiue, ye haue ben oft and many tymes by me inuited and required to go from your sayd errours and heresies, and to returne to the vnity of the catholicke Church, whiche if you will now willingly do, ye shal be mercifully and gladly receiued, charitably vsed, and haue al the fauour I can shew you. And now to tell you true, it is assigned & appointed to geue sentēce against you, if you stand herein, and wil not returne. Wherfore if ye so refuse, I do aske of you whether you haue any cause that you can shew, why I shoulde not now geue sentence agaynst you?
[Back to Top]phil. Vnder protestation, not to go from my appeale that I haue made, and also not to consent to you as my competent iudge, I say, touching your first obiection concernyng the Catholicke Churche, I neyther was nor am out of the same. And as touching the sacrifice of the Masse, and the Sacrament of the *Marginalia* Here eyther the Register belyeth M. Philpot, or els he ment as not offending the law, thereby to be accused, for otherwise all his former examinations doe declare that he spake agaynst the Sacrament of the altar. alter, I neuer spake agaynst the same. And as concernyng the pleasure of the Sinode, I say: that these. xx. yeares I haue bene brought vp in the fayth of the true Catholicke church, which is contary to your church, wherūto ye would haue me to come: & in that tyme I haue ben many tymes sworne (as well in the reigne of K. Henry the viij. as in the reigne of good kyng Edward his sonne) agaynst the vsurped power of the Byshop of Rome, which othe I thinke that I am bound in my conscience to keepe, quia teneor reddere Domino iuramentum.
quia teneor reddere Domino iuramentum. [Not strictly translated:which othe I thinke that I am bound in my conscience to keepe] because I am bound to give my oath to the Lord.