Marginalia1556. Aprill.premacie of the Popes holynes, and I also dyd write a Preface before the same booke, tendyng to the same effecte. And thus dyd we because of the perilous worlde that then was. For then was it made treason by the Lawes of this Realme to mainteyne the Popes authoritie, and greate daunger it was to be suspected a fauourer of the See of Rome, and therefore feare compelled vs to beare with the tyme, for otherwise there had bene no way but one. You know when any vttered his conscience in maynteynyng the Popes authoritie, he suffered death for it.
[Back to Top]And then turnyng his tale vnto Tyms, he sayd: But since that time, euen sithence þe commyng in of the Queenes Maiestie, when we might be bold to speake our conscience, we haue acknowledged our faultes, and my Lorde of Winchester hym selfe shamed not to recant the same at Paules Crosse. And also thou thy selfe seest that I stande not in it, but wyllyngly haue submitted my selfe. Doo thou also as we haue done.
[Back to Top]MarginaliaTims againe replyeth to the Byshop.My Lord, quoth Tyms, that which you haue written against the supremacie of the Pope, may be wel approued by the scriptures. But that which you now do, is agaynst the word of God, as I can wel proue.
Then an other, I suppose it was Doct. Cooke, sayde: Tyms, I pray thee let me talke with thee a litle, for I thinke we two are learned alike. Thou speakest muche of the Scripture, and yet vnderstandest it not. I wyll tel thee to whom thou mayest be compared. MarginaliaAn Hunters parable agaynst W. Tyms wisely applyed.Thou art like to one which intendyng to goe on huntyng, ryseth vp early in the mornyng, taketh his houndes, and forth he goeth vp to the hylls, and downe into the valleys: he passeth ouer þe fieldes ouer hedge and ditche, he searcheth the woods and thickets: thus laboureth he all the whole day without findyng any game. At night home he cōmeth weery of his trauaile, not hauyng caught any thyng at al: and thus fareth it by thee. Thou labourest in readyng of the Scriptures, thou takest the letter, but the meanyng thou knowest not, and thus thy readyng is as vnprofitable vnto thee, as huntyng was vnto the man I spake of euen now.
[Back to Top]MarginaliaThe aunswere of Tyms to the Hunters similitude.Syr, quoth Tyms, you haue not well applyed your similitude: for I prayse God, I haue not read the scriptures vnprofitably: but God, I thank hym hath reueled vnto me so much as I doubt not is sufficient for my saluation.
Then said the Bishop: MarginaliaB. Boners reason.You brag much of knowledge, & yet you know nothyng: you speake much of Scripture, and you know not what Scripture is. I pray thee tel me: How knowest thou that thyng to be the worde of God, whiche thou callest Scripture?
MarginaliaRob. Drakes answereth.To this answered Rob. Drakes, that he dyd know it to be the worde of God, for that it doth shewe vnto them their saluation in Christ, and doth reuoke & cal backe al men from wicked lyfe, vnto a pure and vndefiled conuersation.
MarginaliaBoner replyeth.The bishop replyed, that þe heathen writers, haue taught precepts of good liuyng, as wel as the scripture, & yet their writyngs are not esteemed to be Gods word.
MarginaliaTyms aunswereth to Boner.To this answeared Tyms, saying: the olde Testament beareth witnes of those things which are writtē in þe new, for (quoth he) there is nothing taught in the newe Testament, but it was foreshewed in the law and Prophetes.
MarginaliaBoner denying the principles of diuinitie.I wyll denye all, quoth the Bishop, I wyll denye all: what sayest thou then? Then Robert Drakes alledged a sentence in Latine out of the Prophet Esay in the. 59. cha. of his prophesie:MarginaliaEsay. 59.Spiritus meus qui est in te. &c.
Spiritus meus qui est in te. &c. My spirite whiche is in thee. etc. spiritus meus qui est in te [Accurate citation.]
MarginaliaB Boner calleth for more helpe.Maister Doctor, I pray you say somewhat vnto these folkes that may doo them some good. Then D. Pendleton, as he leaned neare vnto the Bishop, couered his face with both his handes, to the end he might the more quietly deuise what to say,MarginaliaD. Pendleton studieth for talke.but other talk was presently ministred, so that for that tyme he sayd nothing.
[Back to Top]And thus muche William Alesbury
William Aylesbury was a correspondent of John Careless, the martyr (see ECL 260, fo. 36r and Letters of the Martyrs, pp. 616-18.
Then the bishop after this and such like communicatiō thus passed betweene them, proceedyng at length in forme of lawe, caused both his articles and answeares to the same, there and then to be openly read: the summe of which his confession recorded and leaft by his owne hande writing tended to this effect, as foloweth.
[Back to Top]MarginaliaArticles aunswered by W. Tyms.FIrste I dyd truely confesse and beleue, that I was baptised into the true Catholike Church of Christ: for whē I was baptised, there was the Element and the woorde of God, accordyng to Christes institution. MarginaliaHis Baptisme by his godfathers.And my Godfathers and Godmother dyd promise for me, that I shoulde forsake the Deuyll and all his workes, and that I shoulde keepe Gods Commaundements, and beleue all the articles of the Christian fayth: the which I doo beleue at this day, and with Gods helpe I trust to doo, while I lyue: for it was not the wickednes of the Minister that made the sacrament of none effect. &c.
[Back to Top]MarginaliaOnely 2. Sacraments.Item, I confessed two Sacramentes, and but two in Christes true Churche: that is, the Sacramente of Baptisme, and the Sacrament of the body and bloud of Christ, and that Christ is present with his sacraments as it pleaseth hym.
MarginaliaThe true visible Church.Item, I confessed that Christe hath a visible Churche, wherin the word of God is truely preached, and the sacramentes truely ministred.
Item, I confessed the See of Rome to be as the late bishop of Winchester hath written in his bookes MarginaliaWinchesters booke De obedientia.De vera obedientia, to the whiche I saide vnto the Bishop of London, that he had made a godly Preface: & also Iohn Bale hath plainly declared in his booke called the Image of both churches, euen so much as I beleue therof.
[Back to Top]MarginaliaThe Masse blasphemous.Item, I confessed the Masse to be blasphemie to Christes death and passion.
MarginaliaSacrament of the altar an Idol.Item, I confessed that in the Sacrament of the aultar Christ is not present neither spiritually nor corporally, but as they vse it, it is an abominable Idol.
Last of al, I confessed the bishop of London to be mine Ordinary.
After this, the Bishop fallyng to entreatyng and perswasions, earnestly exhorted hym to reuoke his heresies, (as he termed them) and to refourme hym selfe vnto the Churche of Rome, and not to sticke so much to the literall sense of the Scriptures, but to vse the interpretation of the olde Fathers.
To which Tyms answeared: I wyll not reforme my selfe therunto. And I thanke God of this day: for I trust he wyl turne your cursings into blessinges.
And furthermore asking this questiō, he said: And what haue you to mainteyne the reall presence of Christ in the sacrament, but only the bare letter?
We haue (quoth the bishop) the Catholike church.
No said Tyms, MarginaliaThe Popes Church.you haue the popish Church of Rome for you, for whiche you bee periured and forsworne. MarginaliaThe Sea of Rome, the Sea of Antichrist.And the See of Rome is the See of Antichriste: and therfore to that Churche I wyl not confourme my selfe, nor once consent vnto it.
Then the bishop seeing his constant boldnes to be vnmoueable, proceedyng to his condemnation, MarginaliaSentence red agaynst W. Tyms.pronounced the sentence definitue vpon hym, and gaue hym ouer vnto the secular power.
MarginaliaThe aunswere of Rob. Drakes.After, callyng for Robert Drakes, he vsed towardes hym the like manner of exhortation that he dyd before. To whom Drakes said: As for your church of Rome, I vtterly defie and deny it, with all the workes thereof, euen as I deny the deuyl and al his workes.
The bishop thē vsing his accustomed order of law, with his lyke exhortations, MarginaliaSentence geuen agaynst Drakes.at last gaue hym the like blessing that Tyms had, and so charged the Sheriffe with hym.
MarginaliaThe answere of Tho. Spurge.Thomas Spurge being next demaunded if he woulde returne to the Catholike Church, said as foloweth: As for your church of Rome, I doo vtterly deny it: but to the true Catholike church I am content to returne, and continue in the same, whereof I beleue the Churche of Rome to be no part or member. Then in fine, callyng the rest in their courses, and vppon the like demaundes receyuyng the like aunsweres, MarginaliaSentence geuen agaynst Tho. Spurge, Rich. Spurge, Cauell, Ambrose.the said bishop gaue vnto eche of them their seuerall iudgements, and so riddyng his bloudy hands, cōmitted thē vnto the custodie of the Sheriffes of London, who sent thē vnto Newgate, whither they went all moste ioyfully, abydyng there the Lordes good tyme, wherein they should seale this their fayth with the sheddyng of their bloud: whiche
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