the cognition of ciuill causes ought not to appertaine to the Church. For that such thynges were temporall and ought to pertaine to the temporaltie, as spirituall thynges to the spiritualty. And besides his other reasōs he alleged the. 86. dist. Marginalia86 dist. ca. cum ad verum
Shauing of priestes crownes, wherfore.
12. q. 2.declaryng for a truth, that for this intent first þ^e clarkes crownes were shauen: in signe that they should be free from all worldlynes, and forsake all temporall thynges. Alledgyng to that end the. xij. q. 2. Furthermore he declared, that the Byshops had cognition in certaine cases expressed by law. Wherfore, these sayd cases ministred a certaine rule agaynst them, alledging for the proofe therof De reg: iuris. ff. de lega. 1. L. ticie textoris. Also he affirmed that by reason of sinne, the Decretall Nouit. could not make for them. For the same dyd speake of the kyng of Fraunce his state, which hath no superiour: but in other persons it was (he sayd) otherwise. And these thynges thus being proued, then sayd he and cōcluded: That neuertheles, their Lord and kyng was ready to heare the information of them, which would instruct hym of any custome: and those customes which were good and reasonable he would obserue. Which aunswere, because it dyd not seeme to please and suffice the Prelates, incontinently the Byshop Eduen aunswered for them all in maner followyng. First commendyng the good and generall aūswere, he spake in this wise: The Prince of the people (sayd he) shalbe praysed, for the prudence of his talke, commēdyng therwith as touchyng the former good generall aunswere of the king, his purpose and talke propounded. But as concernyng the wordes of the Lord Peter, which engendred and brought darknes and obscuritie, and might geue occasion to other temporall Lordes, to breake and infringe the rytes and customes of the Church. Wherfore his aunswere seemed not full and playne to the Prelates, Speaking more ouer to the said Peter, he alluded to the wordes of the Virgine speakyng in the Scripture thus to her sonne: Sonne why did you so to vs? And so prosecuted þ^e same, both maruelyng with hymselfe, and yet couertly complaynyng of his aunswere. Afterward aunsweryng to these thynges which the Lord Peter affirmed, and first to the chapter Ad Verū he sayd, that it was before aunswered: touchyng the deuisiō of the two iurisdictions, that they may be in one subiect as before is proued. Neither doth it let which the Lord Peter sayd, these two iurisdictions could not be in one subiect, because þ^e thyngs which be in themselues diuers, and be vnder one Genus, as a man & an asse cannot be in one subiect. But if they were vnder diuers kyndes, as whitenes and swetenes in milke, they might be well in one subiect. It was aūswered that this rule was not true: because iustice and tēperaunce are two diuers vertues, and vnder one kynde, and yet bee in one subiect. Besides these differyng species, a man and an Asse be not compatible in one subiect. Also to that which was spoken concernyng the shauyng of the crowne, it was aunswered that the crown dyd betoken rule and excellency: and the shauyng did signifie: that they ought not to heape vp store of temporall thynges, so to apply their harts thereunto. But that the temporall thyngs ought to be subiect to them, and not they to the temporaltie, as is proued in the sayde chapter duo sunt genera. Also as concernyng the thyng, which was talked of de regula: he aunswereth, that that maketh for the Church, as before was proued. Yea also, the custome doth make the rule for the Church. Also lawes in all kynde of sense doth alwayes except the custome. And therfore, his saying makes nothyng agaynst it. And now to that place which the Lord Peter spake about the Decretall Nouit. That the case was onely in the kynges person, yet for all that it is expressly sayd in the same text of euery Christen man. And although their law doth speake onely of the Pope, yet the same is applyed to all Byshops in their Dioces. MarginaliaThe Bish. findeth fault with the kinges aunswere.Wherfore the sayd Byshop concluded and beseched the kyng that it would please his grace to geue vnto them a more playner and comfortable aunswere: and that they might not depart from his presence all pensiue & sad, whereby occasion might be geuen to the leytie to impugne the rites and liberties of the Church. And that they doubted nothyng hereof in the good nature and cōscience of their soueraigne Lord and kyng: In the end it was aunswered to them in the behalfe of the kyng, that his mynde and intēt was not to impugne the customes of the Church.

The sonday followyng, the Byshops assembled them selues agayne before the kyng at Vicenas, where the Lord Byshop of Eduen repealed their last supposition, with the last aunswere made vnto them in the behalfe by the kyng, when the Byshop of Byturien, had geuen them to vnderstand how the kyng willed them not to feare. MarginaliaThe gentle aunswere of the king to byshopsFor that they should suffer no hindraunce or damage in his tyme, yea and would defend them to their rightes and customes because it should not be sayd that he would geue ensample to other to impugne the Church, assuryng them that euen the kynges grace him willed so to declare vnto them. The sayd Lord Byshop of Senon in the name of the whole Prelates gaue humble thankes to the kyng therefore, and the sayde B. of Senon beseched that such proclaimations which wer made to the priudice of the ecclesiasticall iurisdiction myght be repealed, and called in. Hereunto the kyng hymselfe answered with hys owne mouth that they were not published at hys commaundement neither did he know of them, nor ratifie them. Thirdly, the bishop proposed þ^t those abuses which the temporalty complained of, should be so ordered and reformed: that euery man should be well contented therewyth. Last of all, he beseched the kinges highnesse, that he would of hys gracious goodnesse geue them a more comfortable & fuller aunswer. Then answered the Lord Peter in þ^e name of the kyng: MarginaliaThe finall aunswere of the kyng to the prelats.That if the prelates and bishops would see reformation of those thinges which were to be amēded (wheraboutes he would take respect betwene this and Christmas next followyng) hys grace would innouate nothing in the meane season. And if in the foresayd space they woulde not correct and reforme that which was amisse, his maiesty would appoynt such order and remedy that should be acceptable both to God and his subiectes. After this, the Prelates had leaue of the kyng to depart and went home.

MarginaliaNotes vpon the Bishops aunswere.
Pag 761. col. 2.THe aunswere, of Byshop Eduen in the name of the other prelates, to the oration and articles before obiected by the Lord Peter consisteth in two partes. First in declaring the feare due to God. Secondly, the honor due to the kyng. MarginaliaFeare of God cōsisting in three thinges.
1. in geuing.
2. in honoring
3. in restoryng.Wherof the first is, the feare of God (he saith) consisteth in iij. thinges. 1. In geuing to God. 2. In honoring hys ministers. 3. In restoring that, which hath bene taken away. &c. The 2. which is, the honoring of the king, he saith consisteth in a double sort, that is. MarginaliaHonour to the king, trouble. In worde flattering, in deede effectuall.In wordes onely, wherein is flattery: And in deede: which againe he diuideth in iiij. members: MarginaliaHonour effects al standeth in 4. pointes.
1. in maintaining the kinges loue.
2. in maintainyng his dignitie.
3. in maintayning his good name.
4. in maintaining his conscience.first, when a man counsaileth a kyng to that, wherby his dominion is loued. 2 When the king is counsailed to that whereby his honour and excellency is not diminished. 3. Thirdly, when the king is counsailed to that, whereby his fame and renowne is mayntayned. 4. Fourthly, when a king is counsailed to that, wherby his conscience is not woūded. &c. And this is the order of his whole tractation. Now remayneth with like breuity to recite the reasons and argumentes in order, wherby he proueth the premisses, with the subdiuision of euery member and part therof. Wherein the studious reader, may note both the subtile procedinges of these Popishe prelates, and also the feeble and impotent ground wherupon they builde. Whose building (as by this discourse and many other may appeare) wholy and finally tendeth to this, to maintayne their liberties, pompe, and estimation aboue all other secular princes and persons.

MarginaliaPag. 361. col. 2.First as concerning feare to be geuen to God, which he diuideth in three partes, in geuing, in honouring, and restoring: for the first, he proueth that princes ought to geue largely and without measure to the Church by these argumentes.

MarginaliaPag. 361. col. 2.By the testimony of Iustinian: although nothing is good which is to much, yet. &c. pag. 361. col. 2. I aunswere that in the tyme of Iustinian, goodes then geuen to the Church, were the goodes of the poore. Wherein was vsed faythfull distribution, voluntary geuyng, and necessary charity. But now in our popish churches, reueneues and landes geuen, neither are distributed to the poore: and yet are mē compelled against their will to geue still. And agayne, so little necessitie is now to geue to such, that the most wealthes of realmes almost is in their handes and houses: in so much that they flowing in such wealth are now waxed so proud, that kinges can scarse beare any rule for them, as was proued before pag. 330. col 2. that the popes reueneues here in England mounted to more then three times double the stint of the kinges crowne. Wherfore by the counsaile of iustinian, it was so then, and then might stād, MarginaliaReligio peperit diuitias nunc filia deuorauit matremquod Religio peperit diuitias: but now as that tyme is altered, so that counsaile holdeth not, postquam nunc filia deuorauit matrem. That is, after that the daughter hath deuoured the mother. Finally cōcerning mēs geuing to the Church in these our Popishe daye, foure faultes I note.

Marginalia4. incommodities that come in geuing to the church.First, that they geue superfluously more then sufficient is to necessitie of life.

Secondly, that they geue to such as abuse it wickedly.