MarginaliaAnno 1549.there did meane of a naturall property, and not of fleshlye substance. And cōtrariwise in the rod of Aarō, where both the substance, and also the property was changed.
Glin. Holy S. Ambrose sayth, MarginaliaAmbrosethe body there made by the mighty power of Gods worde, is a bodye of the Vyrgyne Mary.
Rochest. That is to say, that by the word of God the thing hath a being, that it had not before, and we doe consecrate the body that we may receiue the grace and power of þe body of Christ in heauen by this sacramentall body.
Glin. By your pacience (my Lorde) if it bee a bodye of the Vyrgyne as Saynt Ambrose sayth, which we do consecrate as ministers by Gods holy word, then must it needes be more then a sacramentall, or spirituall bodye: yea a very body of Christ in deed, yea the same that is still in heauen without all mouing from place to place, vnspeakably, and farre passing our naturall reason, which is in this mistery so captiuate, that it cannot conceiue how it is there, without a liuely fayth to Gods word. But let this passe: You do graunt that this breade doth quicken or geue lyfe, which if it doe, then it is not a naturall bread, but a supersubstanciall bread.
Glyn declares that the Sacrament possesses power to grant spiritual and bodily health, since it is 'supersubstantial'. Christ's body is truly, corporeally, present, but in his glorified, risen body, which, since Christ is also divine as well as human, is capable of powers beyond that of earthly substances.
[Back to Top]Rochester. So doth the effectuall, and liuely word of god, which for that it nourisheth the soule, it doth geue life, for the diuine essence infudeth it selfe vnspeakably into þe faithfull receiuer of the sacrament.
Glin. How then say you to holy MarginaliaDamascene.Damascene
St John Damascene (of Damascus), an eighth-century Father of the Eastern Church; hence he lived 800 years prior, not 1000.
MarginaliaDamascene expounded.Rochester. First I denye (Mayster Doctour) that Damascene was one thowsande yeares past, secondarily that hee is not to be holden as an auncient father, for that he mainteyneth in his workes euill and damnable doctrine, as the worshipping of images, and such like.
Since Damascene did not live within the first 500 years of the Church, and so was not near to its primitive (and especially for Protestants) purer state. Ridley dismisses him as theologian advocating the veneration of sacred images of Christ and the saints, against the Eastern Iconoclasts. For most Protestants, such veneration was taken to be idolatry or the worship of idols, and hence the great destruction of medieval sacred paintings and sculptures in the Edwardine Reformation.
[Back to Top]Ridley presents another clear exposition of the Eucharistic doctrine of the Edwardine Reformers.
Glin. So I perceiue you would haue me to graunt, that the Sacrament is but a figure, which Theophilactus doeth deny.
MarginaliaTheophilact. expounded.Rochester. You say trueth, he denyeth it deed to be a figure, but he meaneth that it is not onely a figure.
Glin. Whereas Saynt Paule sayth that we being manye are one bread, he speaketh not, nor meaneth one materiall bread, as you do here, ergo he speaketh of a heauenly bread. And holy Chrysostome vpon Mathew sayth, that the paschall Lambe was a figure,MarginaliaThe paschall Lambe a figure. but the mistery is the veryty: For the Disciples would not haue bene offended to haue dronken a figure of Christes bloud being well accustomed to figures. For Christ did not institute a figure for a figure but the cleare verity in stead of the figure, as Saynt Iohn sayth, grace and verity was geuen by Christ. Doest thou see bread? (sayth Chrisostome) doth it auoyd or passe as other meates do which we receiue? God forbid, ergo. &c.
[Back to Top]Madew. That auncient Clarke Origene vpon the 15. of S.Mathew sayth thus, as touching that which is materiall in the Sacrament, it descendeth, and issueth out as other nutrimentes doe.MarginaliaThe materiall partes of the Sacramēt issue out as other meates doe. But as concerning that which is celestiall, it doth not so.
[Back to Top]Glin. Chrisostome homile. 83. vpō Mathew sayth, that we cannot be deceiued of Christes wordes, but our naturall sences may be deceiued in this poynt very soone and easely: his sayd wordes cannot be false, but our sences be many time beguiled of theyr iudgementes. Because therefore that Christ sayd this is my body, let vs not at any hand doubte (sayth he) but let vs beleue it, and well perceiue it with the eyes of our vnderstanding. And within a litle after in that place, he sayth thus. It was not enough that he was become man, and afterwardes to be scourged for vs but also he did reduce, and bring vs to be as one body with him, not thorow fayth onely, but in very deed also he maketh vs his body. And after that, he sayth that these works are not of mannes power: But the same thinges that hee wrought in his last supper, he nowe worketh also by his precept to his right minister, and we doe occupy the place of the same ministers, but hee it is that doth sanctify, and transumpt the creatures, he performeth still the same.
[Back to Top]Rochester. M. Doctour you must vnderstand that in that place S. Chrisostome sheweth vs that Christ deliuered to vs no sensible thing at his last supper.
Glin. Honourable syr by your pacience, I graunt that hee gaue to his Disciples no sensible thing in substaunce, but a thing insensible, his owne precious body, and bloud vnder the onely kindes of creatures. And truely (as it seemeth) Theophilactus best knew the meaning of Chrisostome, because all authors accept him as a faythfull interpreter of him. And he hath these same playne words, transelemented, and transformed. Also Theophilactus Alexandrinus super Marcum, Cyrillus, and Saynt Augustine sayth that before the consecration it is breade, but afterwardes it is Christes very body. In like maner S. Augustine vpon 33. Psalme. sayth, that in his last supper Christ did beare himselfe in his owne handes. Now euery man may beare the figure of his body in his owne hands, but S. Austen saith it there for a miracle. Ireneus in his fift booke is of the same minde. And Saynt Augustine sayth I doe remember my wordes. &c. The law and figures were by Moises, but the verity and body came by Christ.
[Back to Top]Rochester. Well, say what you list, it is but a figuratiue speach, like to this if you will receiue, and vnderstand he is Elias
'Elias': Elijah, the great Old Testament prophet who was understood by Christians to prefigure St John the Baptist, the last of the biblical prophets and forerunner of Christ.
In response to Catholic claims that the Protestant Eucharist was no fulfillment or bettering of the Manna from heaven, Ridley says it is better, because it is sanctified by Christ in the Communion Service.
MarginaliaTwo things noted in M. Madewes position.RIght worshipfull Mayster Doctor by your pacience I haue noted two thinges that you affirmed in youre position euen nowe before this honourable audience, the which as me seemeth, are not consonant to the trueth of Gods worde. The first is as touching Christes sayinge I will not from hence forth drinke any more of the fruite of the Vyne, vntill I drinke it newe with you. &c.
See Matthew 26:29
Langdale quotes Desiderius Erasmus, the great Dutch humanist and the darling of the English Reformers. Erasmus maintained the Catholic Church's position on the Eucharist in his writings, to the embarrassment of Edwardine Protestants.
'Lucubrations': written results of intense study.
Madew. No forsooth, I will not be offended one iote with