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King Edward 6. Disputation in Cambridge about the Sacrament.

MarginaliaAnno 1549.Madew. I do deny your argument.

Segewicke. I maynteyne my argument thus, all the shadowes are wholy past, ergo also so be the figures, for euery figure is a shadow, if then it be but a figure, all þe figures are not past as yet, but that is false, ergo so is the other.

MarginaliaThe bread but a figure and how.Rochest. It is nothing but a figure, or token of the true body of Christ as it is sayd of Iohn the baptiste, he is Elias, not that he was so in deede or person, but in property, and vertue he represented Elias.

Segewicke. So, but most learned father, when Christ sayde I am the way, the truth, and the life: may it be vnderstanded as you do the other place thus: I am þe vertue of the way, verity, and the life? But now to the matter it selfe. It is verily meat, ergo it is not figuratiuely.

Madew. This verbe or word (is) in this place is taken for that that signifieth.

Here he was commaunded to reply in the second matter.  
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The second matter under discussion was the Catholic doctrine of the Sacrifice of the Mass. Catholics would say that the Mass makes truly but mystically present Christ's one sacrifice on the Cross. Those who attend Mass are present on Mount Calvary, but in a mystical way. Christ's one sacrifice is made present perpetually, but in an 'unbloody' manner: mystically his body is offered up on the cross for our salvation, but under the signs of bread and wine on the altar. Protestants and Catholics agreed that Christ's one sacrifice on the Cross is the ultimate sacrifice that put an end to the need of the Temple sacrifices of the Jews for the redemption of sins and for well-being. Both groups agree that the Eucharistic liturgy is a memorial of that one sacrifice, but they disagree on the nature of this memorial: Catholics maintain that Eucharistic liturgy makes truly present Christ's one sacrifice; Protestants claim it is purely a remembrance or commemoration of that sacrifice. In the Reformation and after, Protestants accused Catholics of trying to kill Christ again and again in every Mass, which the latter vehemently denied.

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Segewicke.

NOw as touching our second conclusion thys I say. Wheresoeuer Christ is there is a sacrifice propiciatory, but in the Lordes supper is Christ, ergo in the Lordes supper is a sacrifice propiciatory.

MarginaliaChrist not offered, but receaued in spirite.Madew. Christ is not offered in the Lordes supper, but is receiued spiritually.

Segewicke. The priesthood and the sacrifice be corespondēt together, but Christes priesthood after the orde of Melchizedech  

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Melchizedek is an Old Testament figure (see Genesis 14:18-20 and Psalm 110 [Vulgate version: 109]), a mysterious priest-king who brought forth bread and wine and blessed Abraham in the name of Abraham's God. He has been seen by Christians as a prefiguring of Christ and the Eucharist (See Hebrews, Chapters 5-10).

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is perpetuall, ergo also so is his sacrifice.

MarginaliaChristes sacrifice offered once for all is onely sufficient without any other.Rochest. Christ is a Priest for euer, that is to say his sacrifice, and priesthood offered once for all, is auaylable for euer so that no other shall succeed him.

Legewicke. Where there is no oblatiō, there is no sacrifice, ergo if Christ be not perpetually offered, there is no perpetuall sacrifice. MarginaliaChristes sacrifice an end of all sacrifices.Item the same bloudy sacrifice of Christ vpon the Crosse was the very fine and end of all the bloudye sacrifices figured in þe law after the order of Aarons priesthoode.  

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'Sacrifices … of Aaron's Priesthood': the Jewish sacrifices offered for the expiation of their sins and for divine blessing, which according to the Bible began with those offered by the priest Aaron, Moses' brother (see Exodus, Chapters 24-31).

Wherefore you must needes graunt that he offered himselfe also at his last supper after the order of Melchizedech vnder the formes of breade and wine: or els you must shewe the scripture where he did so, which I cannot perceiue to be done, but at his last supper onely after an vnbloudy maner. Item he is offered for the remission of sins daylye, ergo he is a sacrifice propitiatorye still in the newe law, as Saynt Augustine sayth expounding these wordes of the Psalme. Thou hast not willed to haue sacrifice and oblation, but. &c.  
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Psalm 40:7 [Vulgate version: 39].

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Rochester. S. Cyprian speaketh much like þt sorte, where he sayth thus. It is the Lordes Passion, whiche we doe offer. &c.

Segewicke. In the olde law there were many sacrifices propiciatory, ergo there be also in the new law, or els you must graunt that God is not so beneficiall now to vs, as then he was to them, seing that we be as frayle, and as nedy as euer were they, whiche must be especially the moste pure dayly sacrifice of Christes body and bloud, that holy Malachy speaketh of.

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MarginaliaWhat sacrifice it is that Malachie speaketh of.Madew. As touching the place of Malachy the Prophet, I answere that it is nothing to your purpose for the offering of Christ dayly in the Sacrament. For that sacrifice there spoken of is nothing els, but the sincere & most pure preaching of Gods holy word, prayer and of thankesgeuing to God the Father thorow Iesus Christ.

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Here M. Segewicke was commaunded to cease to Mayster Yong.
Yong.

WOrshipful mayster Doctor, although you haue learnedly, and Clarkely defended these your conclusiōs this day: yet seeing that I am now placed to impugne thē in place of a better: I do begin thus wt you. It hath pleased Christ to make vs partakers of his holy spirite, and that in very deede, by receiuing of the Christen fayth, hope, and charitye, ergo muche more of his owne blessed bodye, and bloud spiritually and in very deede in the Lordes supper. Item the Aungels foode was altogether holy from aboue, and heauenly called Manna, ergoalso this celestial, and heauenly foode can be iustly estemed to be of no lesse excellency then that, but without comparison better: and so no very wheate, after due consecration of it. MarginaliaThe wordes of Scripture euer effectuall,Item the wordes of holy scripture are euermore effectuall, and working, ergo they must performe the thing indeede that they doe promise. For he that might create, might also chaunge at hys pleasure, the natures, and substaunces of creatures, as appeareth that Christ did by chaunging water into wyne at a Mariage in Galile.  

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See John 2: 1-11.

But Christ in the Scripture dydpromise Iohn. 6. that the bread that he would geue, is hys flesh in deede, whiche promise was neuer fulfilled till in his last supper, when he tooke bread, gaue thankes, blessed it, and gaue it to his disciples saying, take, eate, this is my body. Which bread then was his flesh in deede, as doth well appeare in the sayd place, and next promise depending vpon the same, thus, which flesh I will geue for the life of the world. This last promise was fulfilled by him vpon the Crosse, ergo the fist was likewise at his last Supper. So that it was but one, and the same flesh, first and last promised and performed.

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Rochester. In deed the wordes of holy scripture doe worke theyr effectes potencially and thorowly by the mighty operation of the spirite of God.

MarginaliaMan is norished by the force of Christes bloud by faith, but not by drincking it really in the cuppe.Yong. If it please your Lordship, man is fedde aud nourished with Christes bloud, ergo thē it is his bloud indeed, though it do not so appeare, to our outward senses, which be deceiued, for Christ sayth this is my bloud: And also my bloud is drinke in deede. And because that we shoulde not abhorre his blessed bloud in his naturall kinde, or his flesh if they shoulde be so ministred vnto vs: of his most excellent mercy, and goodnesse, condescending to our weake infirmityes, he hath appoynted them to be geuen vs, vnder the sensible kindes of his conuenient creatures, that is to say of bread and wyne. Also our body is fedde with Christes body, which is meate in deede, but it can not be nourished with that that is not there present, ergo Christs body that feedeth vs must needes be present in very deede in the sacrament. Item the nature of bread is chaunged, but the nature of the bread, and the substaunce of it, is all one thing, ergo the substaunce also is chaunged. My first proposition is S. Cyprian de cœna domini saying, that the bread in figure is not chaunged, but in nature.

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MarginaliaCyprian expounded.Rochester. Cyprian there doth take thys worde nature for a propertye of nature onelye, and not for the naturall substaunce.

Yong. That is a straunge acception, that I haue not read in any author before this time, but yet by your leaue, the communion of Christes body, can not be there, where hys body is not, but the communion of Christes body is in the sacrament, ergo Christes body is there presēt in very deed.

Rochester. Grace is there communicated to vs by the benefite of Christes body sitting in heauen.

Yong. Not so onely, for we are members of his flesh, and bones of his bones.

MarginaliaWe be not consubstanciall with Christ, but ioyned to him by his holy spirit.Rochester. We be not consubstantiall with Christ, God forbid that, but we are ioyned to his mistical body thorow his holy spirite, and the communion of hys fleshe is communicated to vs spiritually thorow the benefite of his flesh in heauen.

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Yong. Well I am contented, and do most humbly beseeche your good Lordshippe to pardon me of my greate rudenesse and imbecillity, which I haue here shewed.

¶ Here ended the first disputation holden at Cambridge the 20. day of Iune. 1549.

¶ The second disputation holden at Cambridge 24 of Iune. Ann. 1549.  
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It is noteworthy that a number of theologians now appear in the disputation without any introduction by Foxe.

Doctor Glin in his first conclusion.

MarginaliaMisteries may better be beleeued then curiously searched.TThe misteries of fayth (as August. witnesseth) may very profitably be beleued, but they cannot well be searched forth, as sayth the scripture, I beleued, therefore I spake and he that confesseth me before men, him will I cōfesse before my father which is in heauen, We beleue euery man in his arte, therefore much more Christ our sauior in his word. Maruell not most honorable Lordes and worshipfull Doctours that I speake thus nowe, for once you your selues spake the same. But peraduenture some wyll say beleue not euery spirite. I aunswere charity beleeueth all thinges, but not in all thinges. If those thinges whiche I shall vtter, be conuinced as false, I shall desire you to take them as not spoken at all. MarginaliaAs Christ called not the bread a figure, so he speaking figuratiuely at other tymes called them not plaine figures though they were so.But these are the wordes of of trueth hoc est corpus meum, this is my body, Christ spake them, therefore I dare not say this bread is my body, for so Christ sayd not, Christ sayd thus, this is my body, and therfore I but duste and ashes, yea a worme before him, dare not say this is a figure of his body: heauen and earth (saith he) shal passe but my word shall not passe. Whatsoeuer our old father Adam called euery creature, that is his name to this day, þe new Adam (Christ Iesus) sayd this is my body, & is it not so? he neuer sayd this is a figure of my bodye, nor eat you this figure, or signe of my body. And therfore whē þe paschall lambe was set before him, he sayd not, this is my body. Wherefore if at þe day of iudgemēt, Christ should say vnto me, why hast þu beleued þt this is my body? I would

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