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Honorius III (Cencio Savelli)

(d. 1227) [Kelly]

Papal chamberlain 1188; cardinal-deacon of Santa Lucia in Silice 1193; tutor of future Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II in 1197

Pope (1216 - 27); crowned Frederick II in 1220

Elevation of the host was introduced by Honorius III. 1570, p. 1314; 1576, p. 1124; 1583, p. 1149.

In the 'Dialogue between Custom and Truth', Honorius III is said to have introduced reverencing of the sacrament. 1570, p. 1559; 1576, p. 1329; 1583, p. 1390.

1414 [1390]

Queene Mary. A dialogue betweene Custome and Truthe.

MarginaliaAnno 1552.it hath no mouth.

Vertie. You must vnderstand, that a man is shaped of two partes: of the body, and of the soule. And eche of them hath his life and his death, his mouthe, his teethe, his foode, and abstinence. For like as the body is nourished and fostered with bodily meats, or els can not endure, so must the soule haue his cherishing, otherwise it will decay, & pine away. And therefore we do & may iustly say that the Turkes, Iewes, and Heathen be dead, because they lacke þ e liuely foode of the soule. But how then, or by what meane wil you fede the soule? Doubtles not by the instrument of the body, but of the soule. For that which is receiued into the bodye, hath no passage from thence into the soul. For Christ sayth, MarginaliaMath. 5.That what so entreth into the belly, is conueied into the draught. And where as you say that the spirite hathe no mouth, like as it hath no bodye or bones, you are deceiued. For the spirite hath a mouthe in his kinde, or else howe coulde a man eate and drinke Iustice? for vndoubtedly his bodily mouthe is no fit instrument for it. Yet Christ sayeth, that he is blessed that hungreth and thirsteth for Iustice. If hee hunger and thirst for Iustice, belike he both eateth and drinketh it, or otherwise he neither abateth his hunger, nor quencheth hys thirst. MarginaliaWhat is to hunger and eate righteousnes.Nowe if a man eate and drinke righteousnesse wyth hys spirite, no doubt his spirite hath a mouth. Whereof I will reason thus:

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MarginaliaArgument.Da-Of what soeuer sorte the mouth is, suche is hys foode.
ti-But the mouth of the spirite is spirituall, not bodily:
si.Therefore it receiueth Christes body spiritually, not
bodily.

And in like manner Christe speaking of the eatyng of hys bodye, nameth him selfe the breade, not for the bodye, but of life for the soule, and sayth: MarginaliaIohn. 6.He that commeth to me, shal not hunger, and he that beleeueth in me, shall neuer thirst. MarginaliaHow Christes body is taken by fayth.Wherfore who so will be relieued by the body of Christ, must receiue him as hee will be receiued, with the instrumente of faith appoynted thereunto, not with his teethe or mouthe. And where as I say that Christes body must be receiued & taken with faith, I meane not that you shall plucke downe Christ from heauen, and put him in your faith  

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Catholics would argue that Christians received Christ in the Eucharist both with faith and orally. While Protestants and Catholics agreed on the spiritual virtues of receiving Holy Communion as described by Verity, Catholics would insist that Communion is also food for the spiritual benefit of the soul and the body, as alluded to by Paul in I Corinthians 11:30. As to the common Protestant accusation against Catholics that they 'shall pluck down Christ from heaven', Catholics would answer that Christ is indeed seated in glory in heaven, but he is also present wherever mass is celebrated in his divine, risen, glorified body as he promised in John 6; for nothing is impossible with God. Therefore Catholics would utterly reject Verity's statement, 'Christ's body … hath nothing to do with our body …'

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, as in a visible place: but that you must with your faith rise and spring vp to him, and leauing this world, dwell aboue in heauen, putting all your trust, cōfort and consolation in him, which suffered grieuous bondage to set you at libertye & to make you free, creeping into his wounds, which were so cruelly pearced and dented for your sake. So shall you feede the body of Christ, so shall you sucke the bloud that was poured out and shed for you. This is the spiritual, þ e very true, the onely eating of Christes body. And therfore MarginaliaGregory.S. Gregorie calleth it Cibum mentis, non ventris. i. The foode of the minde and not of the bellie. And MarginaliaCyprian.S. Cyprian sayth likewise: Non accuimus dentem, nec ventrem paramus. i. We sharpen not oure tooth nor prepare our bellie.

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Now to returne to our former purpose, seeing it is plain that Christes body is meat for our spirit, and hath nothing to do with our body, I wil gather thereof this reason. The sacrament is bodily foode and increaseth the body: Ergo, the sacrament is not the very body of Christ. That it norisheth the body, it is euident  

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Verity remarks that Eucharist does feed the body as any food or drink does, for the Eucharistic doctrine established in the Edwardian Reformation and reaffirmed in the Elizabethan Religious Settlement of 1559 was that the elements of the sacrament remain bread and wine before, during and after the Communion Service.

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: for Christe calleth it the fruite of the vine, whose duetie is to nourish. And for a proofe, if you consecrate a whole loafe, it will feede you so well as your table bread. And if a little Mouse get an host, he will craue no more meate to hys dinner  
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Verity uses the common Protestant trope of what becomes of the Catholic Eucharist should a mouse somehow get hold of a host and consume it. The Catholic response was that although shameful if not sacrilegious for those charged with caring for the Sacrament, such an action would have no effect upon almighty God or upon any creature incapable of reason or belief.

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. But you will saye these are worldly reasons. What then if the old Fathers recorde the same? MarginaliaIrenæus lib. 5. contra valentinum.Irenæus sayth: Quando mixtus calix, & fractus panis percipit verbum Dei, sit Eucharistia corporis & sanguinis Domini, ex quibus augetur & consistit carnis nostræ substantia. MarginaliaBeda super Lucam.Beda witnesseth the same by these woordes: Quia panis carnem confirmat, & vinum sanguinem operatur in carne, hic ac corpus Christi mysticè, illud ad sanguinem refertur. Wherefore as I sayde before, seeing that Christes body is spirituall meat,MarginaliaChristes body is spirituall meate. and the bread of the sacrament bodily, I may conclude that the sacrament is not Christes body. Beside this, where it was MarginaliaDrincking mans bloud agaynst the law.forbidden in the old law  
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Catholics would object that Christ's body under the signs of bread and wine is indeed his corporeal body born of the Virgin Mary and which hung upon the Cross, yet it is also his risen, glorified body, and the Mosaic Law cannot apply to it; not least because, according to Paul in Galatians 3:13, Jesus' salvific death was itself a violation of the Mosaic Law.

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, that any man should eat or drinke bloud, the Apostles notwithstanding tooke the cup at Christes handes, and dranke of it, & neuer staggered or shranke at the matter: whereby it may be gathered, that they tooke it for a mysterie, for a token, and a remembraunce, farre otherwise then it hath of late bene taken.

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Againe, when the sacrament was dealte, none of thē all crouched downe and tooke it for his God, forgettinge hym that sate there present before their eies, but tooke it, and eate it, knowing that it was a sacrament and a remembrāce of Christes body. MarginaliaKneeling to the Sacrament forbidden in olde Coūcels.Yea, the old Councels commanded that no man should kneele downe at the tune  

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'Tune': misprint of 'time', in the 1583 edition only

of the Communion, fearing that it should be an occasion of Idolatry  
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It is noteworthy that in his marginal notes Foxe cites no canons of any General Councils of the Church to support his claim regarding kneeling.

. MarginaliaThe Sacrament carryed home in napkins.And long after the Apostles time, as Tertullian wryteth, womē were suffered to take it home with them, and to lap it vp in their chestes. And the priest many times sent it to sicke personesby a childe: which no doubt would haue geuen more reuerence therto, if they had taken it for their God  
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It is not inconceivable that in times of persecution under the Romans Communion could be brought to the sick, imprisoned or dying by the laity, being a time of emergency. St Tarcisius (Third-Fourth Century) was martyred by a Roman mob for carrying the Eucharist, and possessed any early cult, according to the fourth-century writings of Pope Damasus I. Tarcisius has often been portrayed in literature and art as a youth, even a boy, but there is no certainty as to his age, or whether he was in fact a layman (he may have been a deacon).

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. But a great while after, about 300. yere agone. MarginaliaPope Honorius 3. first author of worshipping the Sacrament. An. 1220.Honorius 3. the Bishop of Rome tooke him and hanged him vp  
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'Hanged him up': placed the reserved Eucharist in a container (pyx or tabernacle) to be given to the sick or to be adored. The tradition and history of the reservation of the eucharist outside Mass is much older than the thirteenth century, as, for example, the fourth-century record of Tarcisius' martyrdom attests (see above). Among the earliest records of this practice are the writings of St Justin Martyr (first century).

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, and caused men to kneele and crouch downe, and all to begod  
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'Begod': to make the Eucharist God: believed by Catholics amd denied by Protestants.

him.

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Furthermore, if the bread be turned and altered into the body of Christ, doubtles it is the greatest miracle that euer God wrought. MarginaliaApostles & olde Doctours make no miracle nor maruell at the Sacrament.But the Apostles saw no myracle in it, Nazianzenus an olde wryter, and Augustine entreating of al the myracles that are in the scripture, number the Sacrament for none. As for the apostles it appeareth wel that they had it for no maruel, for they neuer mused at it, neither demanded how it might be: whereas in other thinges they euermore were ful of questions. As touching S. Augustine he not only ouerhippeth  

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'Overhippeth': overlook

it, as no wonder, but by plaine & expres words, testifieth that ther is no maruel in it. For speaking of the Lords supper and of the other sacraments he sayeth these words. *Marginalia* That is to say: Sacraments here may haue their honour as things religious but they are not to be wōdred at as miracles. Hic Sacramēta honorem vt religiosa habere possunt, stuporem autem vt mira non possunt. Moreouer, a little before the institution of the sacrament, Christe spake of hys ascension, saying, I leaue the world: I tary but a litle while wyth you. Let not your hearts be troubled because I go from you, I tell you truthe it is for your profite that I goe from you, for if I goe not, the spirite of comfort cannot come to you. Ihon 14. wyth many other like warnings of his departure. S. Steuen sawe hym sitting at the right hand of his Father, and thought it a speciall reuelation of God: but he neuer said that he sawe him at the Communion, or that he made him * euery daye himselfe. And in the Actes of the Apostles S. Peter sayeth, MarginaliaActes. 3.that Christ must needes keepe the heauen till all be ended. Esay, Salomon, and S. Steuen, saye MarginaliaActes. 17.that God dwelleth not in temples made with mans hand:  
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Catholics would argue that Christians received Christ in the Eucharist both with faith and orally. While Protestants and Catholics agreed on the spiritual virtues of receiving Holy Communion as described by Verity, Catholics would insist that Communion is also food for the spiritual benefit of the soul and the body, as alluded to by Paul in I Corinthians 11:30.

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S. Paule wysheth that he were dissolued and dead, and were with Christ, not in the aultar doutlesse where he might be daily, but in heauen. And to be briefe, it is in oure Credo, & we do constantly beleeue, that Christe is ascended into heauen, and sitteth at his fathers right hande: and no promise haue we that he will come iumping downe at euery priests calling. Hereof I gather this reason.

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MarginaliaIf Christ were both gone and tarried, then he should seme to haue left himselfe behinde him.Christes body can not both be gone, and be heere.

But he is gone, and hath left the world:

Therefore it is follie to seeke him in the world.

Cust. Fie  

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'Fie': expression of disgust.

, you be farre deceiued, I can not in no wise brooke these words. You shut vp Christ too straitly, and imprisone hym in one corner of heauen, not suffering hym to goe at large. No, doubtlesse, he hath deserued more gentlenesse at your hande, then to be tied vp so shorte.

Veri. I do neither locke vp, neither imprison Christ in heauen: but according to the Scriptures declare that hee hath chosen a blessed place, & moste worthy to receiue his maiestie: in which place who so is inclosed, thinketh not himself (as I suppose) to be a prisonner: but if you take it for so hainous a thing, þt Christ should sit resident in heauen in þe glory of his father, what thinke you of them that imprison him in litle boxe  

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'Little box': tabernacle or pyx used for reserving the Eucharist in the Catholic tradition.

,MarginaliaThe body of Christ imprisoned by the Papistes in a boxe, and afterward burned when he is mouldye. yea and keepe him in captiuitie so long, vntil he be mouldy & ouergrowne with vermine  
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In the Catholic tradition it was understood that when the outward forms of bread and wine ceased to be outward forms of bread and wine, i.e., when the outward form of bread turns into mold or the outward form of wine turns into vinegar, Christ was no longer present. Such circumstances were rare and strictly guarded against by the clergy.

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, & when he is past mans meat, be not contented to hang him till he stincke, but will haue him to a newe execution, and burne hym too?  
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'Burn him [Christ] too?'. If the Eucharist underwent the occurrences described above in the note for lines 266-267, or if an ill communicant coughed up some element of the host mixed with mucus or saliva, the clergy were to dispose of the elements (no longer recognized as Christ under the signs of bread) by burning them. Here Verity is alluding to the burning of heretics for believing the Eucharistic doctrines he is propounding in the reigns of Henry VIII, and probably Mary I.

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This is wonderfull and extreme cruell imprisoning. But to returne to the matter, wee are certainely perswaded by the worde of God, that Christ the very sonne of God vouchsaued to take vppon him the body and shape of man, & that he walked & was conuersant amongst men in that same one, & not in many bodies, and that hee suffered death, rose againe, and ascended to heauen in the selfe same body, and that he sitteth at his fathers ryght hande in hys manhode, in the nature and substance of the said one body. This is our beliefe, this is the very word of God. Wherefore they are far deceiued, which leauing heauen, wil grope for Christes body vpon the earth.

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Cust. Nay sir, but I see now you are farre out of the way. For Christ hath not so grosse & fleshly a body, as you think, but a spirituallMarginaliaChristes body is spirituall in the Sacrament, say the Papistes. and a ghostly body, and therefore without repugnaunce it may be in many places at once.

Veri. You say right wel, and do graunt that Christes body is spiritual. But I pray you answer me by the waye: Can any other body then that which is spirituall, be at one time in sondry places.

Cust. No truely?

Veri. Haue we that same selfe sacrament that Christe gaue to his Disciples, at his Maundie  

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'Maundy': Christ's Last Supper remembered on Holy or Maundy Thursday, when he commanded ('maundy') the Apostles to continue celebrating the Eucharist as he had done that night.

, or no?

Cust. No doubtlesse, we haue the same.

Veri. When became Christes body spirituall? was it so euē from his birth.

Cust. No, for doubtles before he arose from death, his bo- body was earthly as other mens bodies are.

Veri.
IIIi.j.