The Hartlib Papers

Title:Copy Letter, Sir Thomas Rowe To John Dury
Dating:16 December 1635
Ref:14/4/40A-44B: 40B, 44A-B BLANK
Notes:See G.H. Turnbull, Hartlib Dury and Comenius, 1947, pp. 172-3.
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[Rowe's hand:]
To my worthy & reuerend friend
    mr Iohn Durye at the
                Haghe.
[seal]
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[scribal hand:]
Sir
I haue received since I wrote to you 2 letteres or 3 of the 28 of 8ber 2 & 23 of 9ber by which I vnderstand your purpose to persivere & the course you are now in, as also that you received a benevolence from the Queen of Bohemia whereof I will take due & thankfull notice this weeke From the resolution I cannot diswade you with a good conscience & doe hope you see more then I for if I should judg by the conjuncture of this place & the disposition of forraine estates I should vtterly dispaire for I will shew you my fancies that if you the warr proceede it wilbe noe tyme to travaile for danger & if men doe not theire best for vnity in theire temporalls & preservation of theire estates I doubte they will more Neglect the spiritualls, which are Comonly set hindmost both in thought & action, & in the warr I see noe hope but that the enemy will prevaile who hath banished & <another hand: the> reformed profession vtterly & I doe not think France will help to restore it They haue found them both dangerous neighbours & troublesome inhabitants in theire Civill warrs & if peace should be made betweene Holland France Spaine & the Empire though it may seeme most opportune for your Negociation Yet I foresee it will fall out as it did in that of Saxony, at the [H?: most] & I feare the Ruine of <H: the> Religion for that France hath noe way in that case soe Cheape as to offer vp the Protestants as a sacrifice propiciatory to appease the Spaniards & the Iesuits & the
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Pope for his synnes against them in taking part and making league with Heritiques & this is that indeede I feare aboue all other that is a peace which we say the Hollanders haue much advanced of which I pray write me speedely your knowledg what you Can discover for that is the thing now we labour to prevent, for if it succeede we shalbe left alone & noe hope of ourselfes to help the Prince Electour Pallatine when the howse of Austria shalbe set free to finish theire subjection of Germany which they will not Neglect & then breake with Holland at theire pleasures and grinde it like Corne betweene 2 milstones This I say we onely studdy to prevent, & others to effect & there is noe way to prevent it vnles the States will see theire owne danger & the errours they haue bene in by Neglecting his Majesty & Come speedely hither & offer themselues to our friendship & protection which if they will doe they shalbe exce accepted, I write what I know but as a secret that I may not avow but I dare engage my Credit & therefore if you can help in that to settle them your shall keepe open & alive our hopes which this peace will quite extinguish The Prince Pallatine is kindly received & feasted here & in great favour with his Majesty who would now doe [catchword: any]
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anything in his power for him, but alone hee can doe little & if the Hollanders make peace all parts of Germany wil be shutt to vs therefore this is the opportunity both to them & vs if they will see it, for though outwardly his Majesty goes on in the old way & will try once againe by Ambassadours because our successiture[H underlines] <H: Investiture> must be demanded in forme in which we & I hope hee hath noe beleife, yet if by[H alters from be] a league betweene vs & Holland both theire hast[H underlines] <H: harts> to a peace bee not broken & a sanctuary built vp to be ready to make a [wall? H deletes] <H: warre> Into which the Swedes & the remaines of Germany may resort,[H punctuates] we shalbe excluded for ever. Now to apply this to your affaires (for as yet there is nothing ells resolved but to send to the dyets) if this league may be made we may haue hope of the generall cause & that the Calvinish party may recover Considerable reputation in Germany & then they may be thought worthy of reconciling & vniting who now are dispised and given for[H alters] lost[H alters] This Incouragment will perhaps draw on the Pole to proceede in the marriage when the partie shalbe held vpp but if they make a peace he will not dare to move nor offend the Austrians & [soe?] never
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marry with vs, & what to say of that busines is beyond my reach, our last reports are ill & wavering & Sir Georg Douglas hath overshot himselfe & done ill offices by Hast soe that I know not what to hope nor how to dispaire but if we can keepe vp the Cause awhile which only can be done by the Hollanders speedy resolution to humble themselues to his Majesty who will expect nothing from them but friendship & sinceere dependance, then I doubt not but the cause may prosper & [to? altered] prosperity the Pole is like to come in to have his share, but never to men trodden downe & then I think that from the Pole that is from the Queene & her party there [both? altered] maintenance for the negociation & greate reputation & aide may be expected This is the summe of what I can write Now for your maintenance in the meane tyme I see not that very many will assist nor many Contribute vntill next yeare, I have given an account to my lord of Durham but can ask noe mony. your rent from Saxbey I have received which for a quarter (for you had one beforehand) it came but to 12lb & your tennant brought me bills of Charge for shipping mony
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tenthes & reparrations [etc?] which I keepe to shew you for aboue 3lb soe that I received cleare but 8lb - 12s - 10d whereof I paid for first fruits 3lb soe that there will rest to you but 5lb odd mony whereof 5lb I have given to mr Hartlib to help to keepe your fire & now Sir Sampson Dorrell being dead your tennant cannot pay his rent in London but halfe yearely soe that til May you will haue nothing thence & then you may haue 25lb or thereabouts together But I will not forsake you to doe what I can, When this quarter is over which cost me [15?] 150lb to send little Rupa to the Queene & to get what I can for you, but I doe much feare vntill affaires are better setled & otherwayes disposed that the tyme is not seasonable   If you see the D of Saxony once in distresse or well humbled then will your tyme revive like the spring. [left margin, line drawn beside next few lines] That trouble of Doctor Stoughton was but a falce fire nothing came of it but theire shame that meddled in it & I doe not heare but that he hath all his papers & nothing was medled with soe that you haue noe cause to feare Nor doe I believe any such lettere was read & if it were it cannot hurt you nor doe I perceive from his Grace any alteration or dislike but that he esteemes you
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as you deserve only he thinks that your worke is labour in vaine though he professeth to favour it all in his power, & for the legacy you shall haue your portion in it & as much of it as I can procure for you, If I had seene any occasion I would haue mediated for a good interpretation for you from his grace but perceiving noe cause I hould it not fit to awake that which sleeps of itselfe Thus praying to God that he will blesse your hopes To his gracious keeping I leave you
                        your faithfull freind
Crainford the
16 december 1635
                                Tho Rowe